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How modern and industrialized? Syria is a real country with MiGs and submarines.

sofixa 5y ago
True, but i meant a country modern and industrialised on the level of the US or Western Europe. Drones, nuclear weapons, everything digital and stuff more so than MiGs and submarines ( the latter are of somewhat limited use in a civil war, bar denying the other part supplies from overseas)
- notacoward 5y ago
  The idea that we're that different than Syria (or many other examples one could name) is just a form of exceptionalism.
- maxerickson 5y ago
  Turkish drones have seen wide use in Syria. I am not keeping up with the situation, but for instance: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/turkey-drones-libya-nagorno-karabakh/2020/11/29/d8c98b96-29de-11eb-9c21-3cc501d0981f_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/turkey-dron... https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebastienroblin/2020/03/02/idlib-onslaught-turkish-drones-artillery-and-f-16s-just-destroyed-over-100-armored-vehicles-in-syria-and-downed-two-jets/?sh=7f7305bf6cd3 https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebastienroblin/2020/03/02/idli...
- caeril 5y ago
  Nuclear weapons are 100% irrelevant to a potential civil war in the United States. It's not North vs. South, it's Red vs Blue, and the physical boundaries are impossible to define - the ideologues are far too evenly distributed. Even in the deepest Red areas of the country, an airburst would murder 20-30% of your own side. That's a level of collateral damage that would be unacceptable to either side. Drones could be useful for more surgical actions, but they would be extremely reliant on accurate intelligence, which would be difficult to gather and verify in this type of theater of war. The failures of the US military to hold Afghanistan would be even more magnified at home. I don't think any of our traditional or modern military hardware would be particularly useful in an actual civil war.

True, but i meant a country modern and industrialised on the level of the US or Western Europe. Drones, nuclear weapons, everything digital and stuff more so than MiGs and submarines ( the latter are of somewhat limited use in a civil war, bar denying the other part supplies from overseas)

notacoward 5y ago
The idea that we're that different than Syria (or many other examples one could name) is just a form of exceptionalism.
maxerickson 5y ago
Turkish drones have seen wide use in Syria. I am not keeping up with the situation, but for instance: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/turkey-drones-libya-nagorno-karabakh/2020/11/29/d8c98b96-29de-11eb-9c21-3cc501d0981f_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/turkey-dron... https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebastienroblin/2020/03/02/idlib-onslaught-turkish-drones-artillery-and-f-16s-just-destroyed-over-100-armored-vehicles-in-syria-and-downed-two-jets/?sh=7f7305bf6cd3 https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebastienroblin/2020/03/02/idli...
caeril 5y ago
Nuclear weapons are 100% irrelevant to a potential civil war in the United States. It's not North vs. South, it's Red vs Blue, and the physical boundaries are impossible to define - the ideologues are far too evenly distributed. Even in the deepest Red areas of the country, an airburst would murder 20-30% of your own side. That's a level of collateral damage that would be unacceptable to either side. Drones could be useful for more surgical actions, but they would be extremely reliant on accurate intelligence, which would be difficult to gather and verify in this type of theater of war. The failures of the US military to hold Afghanistan would be even more magnified at home. I don't think any of our traditional or modern military hardware would be particularly useful in an actual civil war.