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> means that those people are also ok with notifications, OS alerts, and any other OS chrome being OK on the screen All of those things can be controlled thoug

by dave78 5y ago

> means that those people are also ok with notifications, OS alerts, and any other OS chrome being OK on the screen All of those things can be controlled though, unlike this new dot. I've had my personal laptop hooked up to one of these huge screens with a live audience of 20,000. Yes, you better be careful to close out your messaging and Gmail and everything else. But also, since it's running as an extended display and the program is running in full-screen mode, the OS generally will not show the things you mentioned anyway, in my experience. An orange dot would not have been tolerated in this environment. "Unusable" may not be the right word, but the people who set up these kinds of things are very particular about how things look, and so is the client who is paying millions of dollars.

dkonofalski 5y ago
If the client is paying millions of dollars, then the production should be using dedicated hardware I/O. You saying "the OS generally will not show you things" admits that it can and sometimes does show those things and those would absolutely not be acceptable in a million dollar production gig. That's why we use dedicated hardware.
- dave78 5y ago
  I don't understand why you're so combative about this. You say "professionals never do this", but lots of people are telling you that sometimes they do. Perhaps it's time to consider that your experience is not universal? In the cases I've been involved with, the computers generating the displays came from the clients, though the production company also used Macs with Powerpoint for creating lower-thirds for IMAG. The client-provided computers were running a custom software application designed for displaying data on a secondary screen. I'm not even sure if Decklink can even do that as the software just expects to output to a secondary display (it does not know anything about Decklink). Here is a picture of one such event: https://media.beam.usnews.com/7e/1e/aecd818e4128ab67593583079871/160429-first10-editorial.JPG https://media.beam.usnews.com/7e/1e/aecd818e4128ab6759358307...
  - dkonofalski 5y ago
    I'm not being combative and you're (I'm guessing purposely) leaving out parts of my statements to try and argue a point I've never made. I know my experience isn't universal but, by definition, if people are saying that a dot in the corner of the display makes their setup "unusable" then their setup has always been unusable because the OS has access to put things on their display at any time. If the computers came from the clients, then the clients didn't care whether something might pop-up on accident. There's literally no way for someone on the production side to prevent that with a computer that they don't know the ins-and-outs of so it cannot be an issue so that's not the type of situation that I'm talking about. I'm only talking about the people who are saying that this dot makes a Macbook "unusable" for the purpose of display. That's 100% not true and anyone that needs that level of precision, as a professional, uses dedicated I/O hardware to keep exactly that from happening.
    - dave78 5y ago
      > That's 100% not true I don't know what else to say. I work with people who put on live shows for 20,000+, they use PCs and Macs to drive the display WITHOUT Decklink or similar, and they would be upset if there was a persistent orange dot on the screen. If you want to split hairs about whether or not that makes the new macOS "unusable" in these situations, then fine, but in the environment I'm familiar with it would not be tolerated. They would replace the Mac device with a PC which doesn't have this issue because they would deem it unusable, even though it can technically still display images on a screen. And despite your repeated comments on this article, it IS possible to configure a PC to not show any notifications for use in a live show, between a combination of changing OS settings, closing unneeded programs, and using the fullscreen APIs of the OS. This is something that can be done ahead of time and tested. I've written software that shows fullscreen on secondary displays on large projectors for presentation-like purposes and I have never had an OS notification pop up over the fullscreen software on a secondary display, even on other people's machines where they didn't take care to shut down programs and turn off notifications. Other commenters here seem to have similar experiences.
      - 5y ago

by dave78 5y ago

dkonofalski 5y ago

If the client is paying millions of dollars, then the production should be using dedicated hardware I/O. You saying "the OS generally will not show you things" admits that it can and sometimes does show those things and those would absolutely not be acceptable in a million dollar production gig. That's why we use dedicated hardware.

dave78 5y ago
I don't understand why you're so combative about this. You say "professionals never do this", but lots of people are telling you that sometimes they do. Perhaps it's time to consider that your experience is not universal? In the cases I've been involved with, the computers generating the displays came from the clients, though the production company also used Macs with Powerpoint for creating lower-thirds for IMAG. The client-provided computers were running a custom software application designed for displaying data on a secondary screen. I'm not even sure if Decklink can even do that as the software just expects to output to a secondary display (it does not know anything about Decklink). Here is a picture of one such event: https://media.beam.usnews.com/7e/1e/aecd818e4128ab67593583079871/160429-first10-editorial.JPG https://media.beam.usnews.com/7e/1e/aecd818e4128ab6759358307...
- dkonofalski 5y ago
  I'm not being combative and you're (I'm guessing purposely) leaving out parts of my statements to try and argue a point I've never made. I know my experience isn't universal but, by definition, if people are saying that a dot in the corner of the display makes their setup "unusable" then their setup has always been unusable because the OS has access to put things on their display at any time. If the computers came from the clients, then the clients didn't care whether something might pop-up on accident. There's literally no way for someone on the production side to prevent that with a computer that they don't know the ins-and-outs of so it cannot be an issue so that's not the type of situation that I'm talking about. I'm only talking about the people who are saying that this dot makes a Macbook "unusable" for the purpose of display. That's 100% not true and anyone that needs that level of precision, as a professional, uses dedicated I/O hardware to keep exactly that from happening.
  - dave78 5y ago
    > That's 100% not true I don't know what else to say. I work with people who put on live shows for 20,000+, they use PCs and Macs to drive the display WITHOUT Decklink or similar, and they would be upset if there was a persistent orange dot on the screen. If you want to split hairs about whether or not that makes the new macOS "unusable" in these situations, then fine, but in the environment I'm familiar with it would not be tolerated. They would replace the Mac device with a PC which doesn't have this issue because they would deem it unusable, even though it can technically still display images on a screen. And despite your repeated comments on this article, it IS possible to configure a PC to not show any notifications for use in a live show, between a combination of changing OS settings, closing unneeded programs, and using the fullscreen APIs of the OS. This is something that can be done ahead of time and tested. I've written software that shows fullscreen on secondary displays on large projectors for presentation-like purposes and I have never had an OS notification pop up over the fullscreen software on a secondary display, even on other people's machines where they didn't take care to shut down programs and turn off notifications. Other commenters here seem to have similar experiences.
    - 5y ago