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GirlsDoPorn victims win rights to their videos

30 points by batmaniam 5y ago

amoshi 5y ago
Doesn't really change much afaik. GDP was already banned on mainstream sites. Niche sites still have some of them but I reckon they don't care about DMCAs etc anyway. The videos themselves will live eternally though, they're very popular on torrent sites and collections TBs in size are well seeded (and very sought after, looking at my download:upload ratio).
- Stevvo 5y ago
  These women can now sell the videos themselves and profit from them. Anything that can be pirated will be... I don't see how that is relevant.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  > looking at my download:upload ratio I don't think there is a way that is compatible with HN's guidelines to tell you what I think of that but let me try the most constructive angle: you are actively hurting these women and it would probably be a good idea to stop doing that.
- ww_wpg 5y ago
  > The videos themselves will live eternally though, they're very popular on torrent sites and collections TBs in size are well seeded (and very sought after, looking at my download:upload ratio). the same could be said for CSAM (which is exactly what some of the videos you're spreading arguably constitute)
sschueller 5y ago
I don't see there being a difference between the videos being on DVDs sold vs online. Does that warrant 20 years in prison or did he force these women to make the videos?
- mindracer 5y ago
  The article says that’s the women were coerced into appearing > GirlsDoPorn producer Ruben Andre Garcia was sentenced in the summer to 20 years in federal prison for coercing women into appearing in sex videos.
- lazide 5y ago
  He blackmailed and extorted them, yes. Which is quite illegal.
goldenchrome 5y ago
How long until enough OnlyFans models regret putting themselves online and that company is sued into oblivion? I'm curious to see where society believes the line of personal responsibility lies.
- mikewhy 5y ago
  > admitting that as part of a premeditated scheme, Garcia recruited victims to appear in sex videos for the websites by promising them that these videos would never be posted online, that the videos would never be released in the United States, and that no one who knew the women would ever find out about the videos. > Throughout the scheme, Garcia knew these representations were false > Garcia and Pratt created Craigslist advertisements, along with fake websites and email addresses consistent with the websites to cause their victims to believe that they were applying to work asclothed models. > When victims expressed hesitation, Garcia directed other young women to contact the victims and falsely reassure them that the videos would not be posted online and that none of the victims’ friends, families, colleagues or classmates would find out. > Garcia knew that most of the young women they were recruiting would have never agreed to appear in a video if they knew that videos of their explicit sexual activity would be posted on the internet and marketed to their friends and family. > If one of the victims agreed to act in the pornographic video, Garcia and his co-conspirators promptly booked flights to San Diego within a day or two to limit the chances that the victim would change her mind. > After the victim arrived at the hotel or short-term rental unit, Garcia would continue to falsely assure them that the videos would not be posted online and that no one who knew the victims would see > Garcia and others would at times coerce victims into completing the videos once they were underway. Garcia and other co-conspirators threatened to sue the victims, cancel flights home, and post the videos online, if the victims did not complete the sex videos. > The sex for the video shoots was rough and caused many victims pain, and in some cases bleeding. Some victims asked to stop filming. In response, Garcia and others told the victims that they had to continue and finish the videos. Victims were also often paid significantly less than originally promised So, after all that, do you really think GDP and OnlyFans are comparable?
  - goldenchrome 5y ago

30 points by batmaniam 5y ago

Doesn't really change much afaik. GDP was already banned on mainstream sites. Niche sites still have some of them but I reckon they don't care about DMCAs etc anyway. The videos themselves will live eternally though, they're very popular on torrent sites and collections TBs in size are well seeded (and very sought after, looking at my download:upload ratio).

Stevvo 5y ago
These women can now sell the videos themselves and profit from them. Anything that can be pirated will be... I don't see how that is relevant.
jacquesm 5y ago
> looking at my download:upload ratio I don't think there is a way that is compatible with HN's guidelines to tell you what I think of that but let me try the most constructive angle: you are actively hurting these women and it would probably be a good idea to stop doing that.
ww_wpg 5y ago
> The videos themselves will live eternally though, they're very popular on torrent sites and collections TBs in size are well seeded (and very sought after, looking at my download:upload ratio). the same could be said for CSAM (which is exactly what some of the videos you're spreading arguably constitute)

sschueller 5y ago

I don't see there being a difference between the videos being on DVDs sold vs online. Does that warrant 20 years in prison or did he force these women to make the videos?

mindracer 5y ago
The article says that’s the women were coerced into appearing > GirlsDoPorn producer Ruben Andre Garcia was sentenced in the summer to 20 years in federal prison for coercing women into appearing in sex videos.
lazide 5y ago
He blackmailed and extorted them, yes. Which is quite illegal.

goldenchrome 5y ago

How long until enough OnlyFans models regret putting themselves online and that company is sued into oblivion? I'm curious to see where society believes the line of personal responsibility lies.

mikewhy 5y ago
> admitting that as part of a premeditated scheme, Garcia recruited victims to appear in sex videos for the websites by promising them that these videos would never be posted online, that the videos would never be released in the United States, and that no one who knew the women would ever find out about the videos. > Throughout the scheme, Garcia knew these representations were false > Garcia and Pratt created Craigslist advertisements, along with fake websites and email addresses consistent with the websites to cause their victims to believe that they were applying to work asclothed models. > When victims expressed hesitation, Garcia directed other young women to contact the victims and falsely reassure them that the videos would not be posted online and that none of the victims’ friends, families, colleagues or classmates would find out. > Garcia knew that most of the young women they were recruiting would have never agreed to appear in a video if they knew that videos of their explicit sexual activity would be posted on the internet and marketed to their friends and family. > If one of the victims agreed to act in the pornographic video, Garcia and his co-conspirators promptly booked flights to San Diego within a day or two to limit the chances that the victim would change her mind. > After the victim arrived at the hotel or short-term rental unit, Garcia would continue to falsely assure them that the videos would not be posted online and that no one who knew the victims would see > Garcia and others would at times coerce victims into completing the videos once they were underway. Garcia and other co-conspirators threatened to sue the victims, cancel flights home, and post the videos online, if the victims did not complete the sex videos. > The sex for the video shoots was rough and caused many victims pain, and in some cases bleeding. Some victims asked to stop filming. In response, Garcia and others told the victims that they had to continue and finish the videos. Victims were also often paid significantly less than originally promised So, after all that, do you really think GDP and OnlyFans are comparable?
- goldenchrome 5y ago