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Everyone focuses on the dot and can no longer listen to the content of the presentation? /s My honest guess is that the author of the article is SUPER mad abou

Everyone focuses on the dot and can no longer listen to the content of the presentation? /s My honest guess is that the author of the article is SUPER mad about this out of some principle-of-the-thing about how the design shouldn't do this, and they just ran with that in writing self-righteous nonsense about how this makes presentations impossible or something. It's about as bad as having the cursor show up on the edge of a live presentation slide.

dangrossman 5y ago
"Live presentation" like "the visuals on the video wall behind Mariah Carey while she sings live for 10 million people on TV", not "live presentation" like "your PowerPoint presentation to your 4 coworkers". This is a news site for professional digital musicians and animators. The kind of people that are in charge of making the digital visuals behind a live performance like I described. This is not a "principle of the thing" argument, it's a "this update stops us from doing our job using Mac hardware" argument.
- quadrangle 5y ago
  Yeah, I get it. Apple's design is stupid and shouldn't have happened. But obviously Mariah Carey CAN sing on TV with a little orange dot. Obviously nobody wants that, and in practice nobody will accept it. But it remains completely possible and would not completely destroy her performance. The hyperbole here is just so extreme.
  - dangrossman 5y ago
    If in practice nobody will accept it, then there's nothing hyperbolic about the article.
  - dmitriid 5y ago
    > The hyperbole here is just so extreme. You've never been near a show production, have you? I was involved with an amateur theater that had some projections during one of their plays. Even they were very peculiar about what was projected, where, and how. One of the projections was a black-and white archive footage. Yes thank you, I'd love an orange dot there, it doesn't ruin it at all.
    - quadrangle 5y ago
      Honestly, I'm more interested in the way people aren't willing to laugh about it. I mean, yeah, I don't want the dot there. It breaks the fourth-wall in a way. But there's something to that too. Society of the Spectacle and so on… It's FUNNY to notice how a little orange dot is taken as such a profound threat. People could do well to reflect on the whole context a bit. Our dependency on tech and the way we depend on a few companies who force things on us, it's all serious, scary, and absurd. And this orange dot business is not the ultimate example of the problem, it's a silly one, that yes, I acknowledge is a huge problem for some people's jobs in practice. I've been around show production stuff, and I don't respect the way everyone takes themselves so damned seriously in that world. The dadaists were onto something.
      - simonh 5y ago
        They take things so seriously because a lot of money, and the livelihoods, reputations and careers of a lot of people, depend on many, many apparently tiny details. Particularly in live performances every show you get one chance to get that show right. One. And then you have to do it again, and again. But getting it right for the next audience doesn’t make it ok that you got it wrong for the last audience.
        quadrangle 5y ago
        Yeah, I get it. People can be really mad when systems they rely on get messed up. It makes PERFECT sense that people are really reactive about this awful design decision and are saying hyperbolic stuff. The part that doesn't make sense is the refusal to acknowledge that it's hyperbole. Although, to be fair, when people are triggered and reactive, we're rarely in the mood to acknowledge such nuance.
        dmitriid 5y ago
        In any production things go wrong in a million tiny details. Anything that doesn't have a workaround gets thrown away. And nope, it's bot a hyperbole. I've seen lamps discarded because they couldn't be made work just right, and stage props removed entirely because they looked out of place for that particular stage. "Something is shitty, let's laugh about it and continue regardless" is what often separates people who don't care from people who do. Unfortunately, seeing all the shit we have to put up with daily, those people that do are in the minority.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    The degree to which people are whinging about the use of “useless” to mean “customers who pay creators for this work will not accept the result this imposes on it” as opposed to “it is not theoretically possible to use the device for this purpose with the misfeature at issue” is... surprising.
    - eropple 5y ago
      If it were about ignoring their lovingly set font overrides in their browser or their terminal, they'd sing a different time. Which is perhaps indicative of the empathy gap, but hey.
- dkonofalski 5y ago
  Mariah Carey's team is 100% using hardware I/O devices. They will not be affected by this change.
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dangrossman 5y ago

"Live presentation" like "the visuals on the video wall behind Mariah Carey while she sings live for 10 million people on TV", not "live presentation" like "your PowerPoint presentation to your 4 coworkers". This is a news site for professional digital musicians and animators. The kind of people that are in charge of making the digital visuals behind a live performance like I described. This is not a "principle of the thing" argument, it's a "this update stops us from doing our job using Mac hardware" argument.

quadrangle 5y ago
Yeah, I get it. Apple's design is stupid and shouldn't have happened. But obviously Mariah Carey CAN sing on TV with a little orange dot. Obviously nobody wants that, and in practice nobody will accept it. But it remains completely possible and would not completely destroy her performance. The hyperbole here is just so extreme.
- dangrossman 5y ago
  If in practice nobody will accept it, then there's nothing hyperbolic about the article.
- dmitriid 5y ago
  > The hyperbole here is just so extreme. You've never been near a show production, have you? I was involved with an amateur theater that had some projections during one of their plays. Even they were very peculiar about what was projected, where, and how. One of the projections was a black-and white archive footage. Yes thank you, I'd love an orange dot there, it doesn't ruin it at all.
  - quadrangle 5y ago
    Honestly, I'm more interested in the way people aren't willing to laugh about it. I mean, yeah, I don't want the dot there. It breaks the fourth-wall in a way. But there's something to that too. Society of the Spectacle and so on… It's FUNNY to notice how a little orange dot is taken as such a profound threat. People could do well to reflect on the whole context a bit. Our dependency on tech and the way we depend on a few companies who force things on us, it's all serious, scary, and absurd. And this orange dot business is not the ultimate example of the problem, it's a silly one, that yes, I acknowledge is a huge problem for some people's jobs in practice. I've been around show production stuff, and I don't respect the way everyone takes themselves so damned seriously in that world. The dadaists were onto something.
    - simonh 5y ago
      They take things so seriously because a lot of money, and the livelihoods, reputations and careers of a lot of people, depend on many, many apparently tiny details. Particularly in live performances every show you get one chance to get that show right. One. And then you have to do it again, and again. But getting it right for the next audience doesn’t make it ok that you got it wrong for the last audience.
      - quadrangle 5y ago
        Yeah, I get it. People can be really mad when systems they rely on get messed up. It makes PERFECT sense that people are really reactive about this awful design decision and are saying hyperbolic stuff. The part that doesn't make sense is the refusal to acknowledge that it's hyperbole. Although, to be fair, when people are triggered and reactive, we're rarely in the mood to acknowledge such nuance.
        dmitriid 5y ago
        In any production things go wrong in a million tiny details. Anything that doesn't have a workaround gets thrown away. And nope, it's bot a hyperbole. I've seen lamps discarded because they couldn't be made work just right, and stage props removed entirely because they looked out of place for that particular stage. "Something is shitty, let's laugh about it and continue regardless" is what often separates people who don't care from people who do. Unfortunately, seeing all the shit we have to put up with daily, those people that do are in the minority.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  The degree to which people are whinging about the use of “useless” to mean “customers who pay creators for this work will not accept the result this imposes on it” as opposed to “it is not theoretically possible to use the device for this purpose with the misfeature at issue” is... surprising.
  - eropple 5y ago
    If it were about ignoring their lovingly set font overrides in their browser or their terminal, they'd sing a different time. Which is perhaps indicative of the empathy gap, but hey.
dkonofalski 5y ago
Mariah Carey's team is 100% using hardware I/O devices. They will not be affected by this change.

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