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Putin is a corrupt criminal and Russians deserve better but he was not wrong when he told the EU that they were dumb. Closing down coal and nuclear plants with

Putin is a corrupt criminal and Russians deserve better but he was not wrong when he told the EU that they were dumb. Closing down coal and nuclear plants without having an alternative that doesn't involve gas (laughs in Gazprom) and signing up to climate change treaties without knowing how to achieve those goals... It looks good on camera we'll deal with the issues later! But at least Europe shares this misery with China who find themselves in the same predicament.

adriancr 5y ago
It's easy to criticise, its not like Putin has been doing a good job with Russian economy
fifilura 5y ago
What is your view on the alternative: "Not signing up on climate treaties an considering them optional"?
- t0mas88 5y ago
  That's what the US did. And in a pure local view it's the best (but selfish) choice for them. Climate change is a clear case of the prisoners dilemma. If you decide not to play along, use coal, you are better off from your perspective. But if everyone cooperates and agrees to limit climate impact in the long term everyone is better off.
  - fifilura 5y ago
    I guess being part of an attempt to break the stalemate would qualify as "dumb".
- lp0_on_fire 5y ago
  There's another alternative: "Push climate treaties that set goals based on current scientific and economic realities".
rasz 5y ago
Putin thinks EU politicians are dumb because HE himself orchestrated nuclear shutdown in Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der#Relationship_with_Gazprom_and_Rosneft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der#Relation... >In his first term, Schröder's government decided to phase out nuclear power >As Chancellor, Gerhard Schröder was a strong advocate of the Nord Stream pipeline project, which now supplies Russian gas directly to Germany >In 2016, Schröder switched to become manager of Nord Stream 2, an expansion of the original pipeline in which Gazprom is sole shareholder.[92] >In 2017, Russia nominated Schröder to also serve as an independent director of the board of its biggest oil producer Rosneft.

adriancr 5y ago

It's easy to criticise, its not like Putin has been doing a good job with Russian economy

fifilura 5y ago

What is your view on the alternative: "Not signing up on climate treaties an considering them optional"?

t0mas88 5y ago
That's what the US did. And in a pure local view it's the best (but selfish) choice for them. Climate change is a clear case of the prisoners dilemma. If you decide not to play along, use coal, you are better off from your perspective. But if everyone cooperates and agrees to limit climate impact in the long term everyone is better off.
- fifilura 5y ago
  I guess being part of an attempt to break the stalemate would qualify as "dumb".
lp0_on_fire 5y ago
There's another alternative: "Push climate treaties that set goals based on current scientific and economic realities".

rasz 5y ago

Putin thinks EU politicians are dumb because HE himself orchestrated nuclear shutdown in Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der#Relationship_with_Gazprom_and_Rosneft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der#Relation... >In his first term, Schröder's government decided to phase out nuclear power >As Chancellor, Gerhard Schröder was a strong advocate of the Nord Stream pipeline project, which now supplies Russian gas directly to Germany >In 2016, Schröder switched to become manager of Nord Stream 2, an expansion of the original pipeline in which Gazprom is sole shareholder.[92] >In 2017, Russia nominated Schröder to also serve as an independent director of the board of its biggest oil producer Rosneft.