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I really don't see this as an issue to be honest. Swift is the first class native development language for the Apple ecosystem, (eventually) superseding Objecti

by simonh 5y ago

I really don't see this as an issue to be honest. Swift is the first class native development language for the Apple ecosystem, (eventually) superseding Objective-C. That's it's one job. Anything beyond that is a bonus. I don't expect Google to port the Android runtime, SDK and tooling to iOS either.

b3morales 5y ago
That's probably the view of Apple execs, but it is not the rhetoric that comes out of the Swift Org itself: https://www.swift.org/ https://www.swift.org/ > a programming language to empower everyone to turn their ideas into apps on any platform. https://www.swift.org/about/ https://www.swift.org/about/ > the best available language for uses ranging from systems programming, to mobile and desktop apps, scaling up to cloud services > a web-based REPL can when working with Linux server-side code > it is now free to be ported across a wide range of platforms, devices, and use cases. Our goal is to provide source compatibility for Swift across all platforms ... extend the cross-platform capabilities of Swift ... source compatibility for Swift code across all platforms ... > Open-source Swift can be used on Linux to build Swift libraries and applications > We’d love your help to bring Swift to even more computing platforms.
bsaul 5y ago
Except google chose kotlin which is developped by another company, which itself has interest to widen the language support to the maximum. As a consequence we have kotlin native and kotlin multiplatform. Apple used an 100% in-house solution but with the official long-term of having it run on the widest range of platform, and an open-source model. In reality, the language is driven toward things nobody gives a damn (swiftUI would have been almost just as good without the syntax sugar), whereas the official initial goals don't have any steam from Apple.

by simonh 5y ago

b3morales 5y ago

That's probably the view of Apple execs, but it is not the rhetoric that comes out of the Swift Org itself: https://www.swift.org/ https://www.swift.org/ > a programming language to empower everyone to turn their ideas into apps on any platform. https://www.swift.org/about/ https://www.swift.org/about/ > the best available language for uses ranging from systems programming, to mobile and desktop apps, scaling up to cloud services > a web-based REPL can when working with Linux server-side code > it is now free to be ported across a wide range of platforms, devices, and use cases. Our goal is to provide source compatibility for Swift across all platforms ... extend the cross-platform capabilities of Swift ... source compatibility for Swift code across all platforms ... > Open-source Swift can be used on Linux to build Swift libraries and applications > We’d love your help to bring Swift to even more computing platforms.

bsaul 5y ago

Except google chose kotlin which is developped by another company, which itself has interest to widen the language support to the maximum. As a consequence we have kotlin native and kotlin multiplatform. Apple used an 100% in-house solution but with the official long-term of having it run on the widest range of platform, and an open-source model. In reality, the language is driven toward things nobody gives a damn (swiftUI would have been almost just as good without the syntax sugar), whereas the official initial goals don't have any steam from Apple.