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You don’t lose your job for not getting the flu vaccine. Again, it’s an unprecedented situation and I’ll accept the mandate for the three shots, but this has to

You don’t lose your job for not getting the flu vaccine. Again, it’s an unprecedented situation and I’ll accept the mandate for the three shots, but this has to have an end at some point.

amznbyebyebye 5y ago
Why is it three? Why can’t they make it effective with one vaccine? Hmm maybe because three vaccines is 3x the revenue they get vs. from one vaccine. They’re just not incentivized for our long term health and well being. It is a pure capitalism.
- gambiting 5y ago
  >>Why can’t they make it effective with one vaccine? There are actual technical and medical answers to this, but somehow I have a feeling you aren't interested in knowing them.
  - amznbyebyebye 5y ago
    I am interested to know. I have worked with big pharma executives, and frankly they are probably less interested to know the answer to this than I am.
  - deleted 5y ago
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throwawayxmas 5y ago
Of course it ends, when the hospitals aren't a mess? Until then, we have to keep getting vaccines. It's clear that the wave after wave it's getting easier in the hospitals. Remember, that hospital systems in pretty much all countries has collapsed. They have to move surgeries and some patients are even afraid to go to hospitals at this point.
- johnisgood 5y ago
  They stopped surgeries here (more or less), but it has nothing to do with any kind of shortage or lack of capacity.
- hcurtiss 5y ago
  > Remember, that hospital systems in pretty much all countries has collapsed. This is just factually incorrect. This kind of fearmongering is helping nobody.
zrail 5y ago
This isn't something that can be willed away. Your acceptance means nothing to a virus. What's likely to happen is a covid vax will get rolled in with the quadrivalent annual flu vax so most people will just get one annual booster.
DrAwdeOccarim 5y ago
Maybe at your place of employment you won't get fired for not keeping your vaccinations up to spec, but there are many employees that have had vaccine mandates for decades...nearly every hospital, most research laboratories (especially ones that handle human biological specimens), nearly every school...
CrazyCatDog 5y ago
Clinics routinely require staff and physicians to be vaccinated against the flu lest there be an exemption on file. Granted this article shared that the rate is low, it also surfaced mandates for healthcare: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3020194/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3020194/
- podgaj 5y ago
  I have never heard of a population wide mandate for a flu vaccine however. And since 2004 the average effectiveness for the flu vaccine is about 40% so I guess if you are in a high risk group it might increase your survival a bit, but not enough effectiveness for a national mandate. The death rate of the flu is about 0.01% for all populations. I mean, would you get a surgery that had a 40% success rate if your chance of dying without the surgery was 0.01%?
  - CrazyCatDog 5y ago
    You are basing your argument on population based statistics. Healthcare workers are an important, large, and uniquely at risk sub-population. Should you rx chemo therapy this afternoon? Probably not… unless you have a known tumor. Radiating random people off the street is not a good idea—I fully agree!
    - podgaj 5y ago
      Yes, which is why we should be only vaccinating "important, large, and uniquely at risk sub-population"s. I do not mind mandates for vaccines for certain workers, but for young bartenders?
  - jokowueu 5y ago
    That's a false equivalence . A jab isn't as evasive as surgery, it doesn't carry the same risks,costs,time etc
    - codr7 5y ago
amznbyebyebye 5y ago
- jacquesm 5y ago
  Except of course that it isn't. If you look closely at the available data you'll see that since the start of the vaccination campaigns the ratio of people dying/being hospitalized versus the number of people infected has steadily improved. Without the vaccines it would be a completely different ballgame. There is plenty wrong with big pharma, but right now they are doing a reasonably good job at helping us all.
chasd00 5y ago
I only “accepted” the mandate from my employer because I won’t risk my family’s well being for a piece of paper. I’m 100% pro vaccination (got a Moderna booster two day ago even) but am 110% against mandates. The government using private industry as a proxy to enforce policy they know will not pass the legal process is wrong.

You don’t lose your job for not getting the flu vaccine. Again, it’s an unprecedented situation and I’ll accept the mandate for the three shots, but this has to have an end at some point.

amznbyebyebye 5y ago

Why is it three? Why can’t they make it effective with one vaccine? Hmm maybe because three vaccines is 3x the revenue they get vs. from one vaccine. They’re just not incentivized for our long term health and well being. It is a pure capitalism.

gambiting 5y ago
>>Why can’t they make it effective with one vaccine? There are actual technical and medical answers to this, but somehow I have a feeling you aren't interested in knowing them.
- amznbyebyebye 5y ago
  I am interested to know. I have worked with big pharma executives, and frankly they are probably less interested to know the answer to this than I am.
- deleted 5y ago
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throwawayxmas 5y ago

Of course it ends, when the hospitals aren't a mess? Until then, we have to keep getting vaccines. It's clear that the wave after wave it's getting easier in the hospitals. Remember, that hospital systems in pretty much all countries has collapsed. They have to move surgeries and some patients are even afraid to go to hospitals at this point.

johnisgood 5y ago
They stopped surgeries here (more or less), but it has nothing to do with any kind of shortage or lack of capacity.
hcurtiss 5y ago
> Remember, that hospital systems in pretty much all countries has collapsed. This is just factually incorrect. This kind of fearmongering is helping nobody.

zrail 5y ago

This isn't something that can be willed away. Your acceptance means nothing to a virus. What's likely to happen is a covid vax will get rolled in with the quadrivalent annual flu vax so most people will just get one annual booster.

DrAwdeOccarim 5y ago

Maybe at your place of employment you won't get fired for not keeping your vaccinations up to spec, but there are many employees that have had vaccine mandates for decades...nearly every hospital, most research laboratories (especially ones that handle human biological specimens), nearly every school...

CrazyCatDog 5y ago

Clinics routinely require staff and physicians to be vaccinated against the flu lest there be an exemption on file. Granted this article shared that the rate is low, it also surfaced mandates for healthcare: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3020194/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3020194/

podgaj 5y ago
I have never heard of a population wide mandate for a flu vaccine however. And since 2004 the average effectiveness for the flu vaccine is about 40% so I guess if you are in a high risk group it might increase your survival a bit, but not enough effectiveness for a national mandate. The death rate of the flu is about 0.01% for all populations. I mean, would you get a surgery that had a 40% success rate if your chance of dying without the surgery was 0.01%?
- CrazyCatDog 5y ago
  You are basing your argument on population based statistics. Healthcare workers are an important, large, and uniquely at risk sub-population. Should you rx chemo therapy this afternoon? Probably not… unless you have a known tumor. Radiating random people off the street is not a good idea—I fully agree!
  - podgaj 5y ago
    Yes, which is why we should be only vaccinating "important, large, and uniquely at risk sub-population"s. I do not mind mandates for vaccines for certain workers, but for young bartenders?
- jokowueu 5y ago
  That's a false equivalence . A jab isn't as evasive as surgery, it doesn't carry the same risks,costs,time etc
  - codr7 5y ago

amznbyebyebye 5y ago

jacquesm 5y ago
Except of course that it isn't. If you look closely at the available data you'll see that since the start of the vaccination campaigns the ratio of people dying/being hospitalized versus the number of people infected has steadily improved. Without the vaccines it would be a completely different ballgame. There is plenty wrong with big pharma, but right now they are doing a reasonably good job at helping us all.

chasd00 5y ago

I only “accepted” the mandate from my employer because I won’t risk my family’s well being for a piece of paper. I’m 100% pro vaccination (got a Moderna booster two day ago even) but am 110% against mandates. The government using private industry as a proxy to enforce policy they know will not pass the legal process is wrong.