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except Facebook and Google, who have their own identifiers baked-in the client :| So it's going to favor the monopoly.
by rvnx 5y ago
except Facebook and Google, who have their own identifiers baked-in the client :|
So it's going to favor the monopoly.
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- cjfd 5y agoSo, storing these identifiers should be illegal as well.
- deepstack 5y agoIt would only make sense to put those along with the cookies. As the intentions of the methods are the same. Cookie = identifier.
- qwerty456127 5y agoA user can delete cookies but can't change the fingerprint reliably. Fingerprints also are easier to secretly share between multiple conspiring parties. Using cookies is a legitimate and more-or-less civilized practice, fingerprints are by definition meant to spy on users against their will. Why do we have cookie warnings but no fingerprinting warnings? Browser fingerprinting should be strictly outlawed for non-police use and require a court order. It's more like eavesdropping rather than like cookies.
- progval 5y agoCookies are only mentioned once in the GDPR, as an example in the preamble (paragraph 30). Article 4. defines personal data and identifiers without referencing specific technologies: > (1) ‘personal data’ means any information relating to an identified or identifiable natural person (‘data subject’); an identifiable natural person is one who can be identified, directly or indirectly, in particular by reference to an identifier such as a name, an identification number, location data, an online identifier or to one or more factors specific to the physical, physiological, genetic, mental, economic, cultural or social identity of that natural person;
- pgeorgi 5y agoIn the English speaking sphere people get hung up on "cookie laws" because the UK had a specific implementation of such a law in 1998 or so. GDPR and many of the non-UK privacy laws that preceded it in Europe didn't concentrate on cookies but on the user identification concept, but "cookie law stupid" is a meme by now.
- Griffinsauce 5y agoGoogle builds the browser, so I follow that, but how so with Facebook? If you are talking about the in-app browser, this is an interesting grey area that we should be able to define generically.
- priansh 5y agoThey have their own pixel that presumably helps them match users to visitors; also most sites have a Facebook like button somewhere. The FB app ID is also one of the most common meta tags behind Open Graph. A nice small example of what this can do can be seen with Clearbit [0] which does a good job of telling you where someone works based off of nothing but their IP address. Imagine that but with the exponentially larger data warehouses of Facebook or Google, paired with referrer tags (FB has CLIDs that allow them but not you to match clicks to actual users) and meta tags (FB can tell exactly what app, page etc a website is associated with and use that data to advertise to users). [0] https://clearbit.com https://clearbit.com
- coldcode 5y agoSince I started using Safari and iCloud Private Relay, hiding my IP address, this no longer works, since the IP they see changes a lot and is only vaguely in your area. I think FB etc. knows the address range of the IP that are exposed and just gave up using them as it gives no useful information.