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The scope here is far, far higher than cookie management providers, If the scope is that a company with a us presence can’t have extraordinary access to data.

The scope here is far, far higher than cookie management providers, If the scope is that a company with a us presence can’t have extraordinary access to data. Google analytics is going to be essentially outlawed in the EU. Hosting with any company with a US presence is going to be questionable. No Aws, Google Cloud, Digital Ocean, linode, azure, hetzner… (Leading to the further question of who you can host with — what big EU cloud providers are there without a us presence) I’m not sure where that leaves the EU, other than possibly hardware in a local data center.

detaro 5y ago
That's pretty much what Schrems-II said, yes. This is really not a very surprising finding with that background.
myrmidon 5y ago
Note: Hetzner is a german company with one datacenter in Nuremberg. edit: NVM I see your point now, that having any US presence is a problem (and Hetzner has a US datacenter too). So this would probably require massive company fragmentation/restructuring to potentially stay compliant? Really curious how this is gonna turn out.
- wiredfool 5y ago
  Yeah. Ovh is in the US as well. Basically, given that the US is such a huge market, any provider is going to grow till they are in that market.
mrweasel 5y ago
You bring up a very good point: Hetzner potentially made a big mistake by opening US datacenters. We have helped customers who picked Hetzner, because it was legal for them to do so, and because they absolutely knew that their data would be safe in Germany... Now they question how much access the US employees might have. Similarly with OVH. A client is working on migrating stuff to OVH, because they felt confident enough that US employees of OVH would have to easy access to EU data. Then staff at OVH in the US takes down all of OVH for a few hours on a monday, that have made them reconsider.
geewee 5y ago
Google Analytics and similar has already in practice been outlawed in EU since Schrems II. This is just a long line of similar judgements that state the same.
beebeepka 5y ago
> Google analytics is going to be essentially outlawed in the EU. One can only hope.
JD557 5y ago
Not really that "big", but I think Scaleway doesn't have an US presence. Might be a viable option for smaller players.

detaro 5y ago

That's pretty much what Schrems-II said, yes. This is really not a very surprising finding with that background.

myrmidon 5y ago

Note: Hetzner is a german company with one datacenter in Nuremberg. edit: NVM I see your point now, that having any US presence is a problem (and Hetzner has a US datacenter too). So this would probably require massive company fragmentation/restructuring to potentially stay compliant? Really curious how this is gonna turn out.

wiredfool 5y ago
Yeah. Ovh is in the US as well. Basically, given that the US is such a huge market, any provider is going to grow till they are in that market.

mrweasel 5y ago

You bring up a very good point: Hetzner potentially made a big mistake by opening US datacenters. We have helped customers who picked Hetzner, because it was legal for them to do so, and because they absolutely knew that their data would be safe in Germany... Now they question how much access the US employees might have. Similarly with OVH. A client is working on migrating stuff to OVH, because they felt confident enough that US employees of OVH would have to easy access to EU data. Then staff at OVH in the US takes down all of OVH for a few hours on a monday, that have made them reconsider.

geewee 5y ago

Google Analytics and similar has already in practice been outlawed in EU since Schrems II. This is just a long line of similar judgements that state the same.

beebeepka 5y ago

> Google analytics is going to be essentially outlawed in the EU. One can only hope.

JD557 5y ago

Not really that "big", but I think Scaleway doesn't have an US presence. Might be a viable option for smaller players.