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Most people, including governments, seem to be under the impression that the vaccines prevent spreading. It is the only rationale for vaccination mandates that

Most people, including governments, seem to be under the impression that the vaccines prevent spreading. It is the only rationale for vaccination mandates that are being rolled out all over the world.

EB-Barrington 5y ago
"Our vaccines are working exceptionally well. They continue to work well for Delta with regard to severe illness and death - they prevent it, but what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission." CDC Director Rochelle Walensky
- kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
  Interesting - is there a link that could be quoted? I think it would be interesting to many people. As I say, the belief is very widespread. For example this article shared by another commentator also says vaccinated people "seem less likely to pass it on to others": https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/sterilizing-immunity-myth-covid-19-vaccines/620023/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/steriliz...
- maxerickson 5y ago
  She is specifically saying that people with breakthrough infections are infectious there, she isn't characterizing the overall impact of vaccination on transmission there. A vaccine that fails to totally prevent transmission can of course still be reducing transmission (and this is likely the case with COVID).
mschuster91 5y ago
> Most people, including governments, seem to be under the impression that the vaccines prevent spreading. Indeed, but wrongly. "Sterilizing immunity" is a myth, even including historical vaccines [1]. > It is the only rationale for vaccination mandates that are being rolled out all over the world. Nope, the rationale behind the vaccination mandates is to prevent the medical system (or, in case of enough infections, society itself) from being overloaded. When the entire staff of a power plant, for example, catches Omicron shit gets really hairy really fast. [1]: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/sterilizing-immunity-myth-covid-19-vaccines/620023/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/steriliz...
- blitzar 5y ago
  > Indeed, but wrongly. "Sterilizing immunity" is a myth, even including historical vaccines [1]. The near zero "Sterilizing immunity" should only come as a shock that it is so much lower than usual to medical professionals, especially for a virus which by basic observation over the last 2 years has a high proportion of asymptomatic carriers who infect a large number of people while being oblivious to their own infection. > Nope, the rationale behind the vaccination mandates is to prevent the medical system The rationale they offer is to make their pouplation immune to infection, and immune to passing on to 'vulnerable people who can not have the vaccine'. Assuming they believe what they say, they are idiots. In reality having the vaccine is not a selfless choice for all humanity, it is a choice entirely to benefit ones self induvidually. Your risk of death goes down dramatically should you become infected with covid. Hugging grandma doesnt become safer because you have had a vaccine, it becomes safer if they have.
- kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
  The article in the Atlantic specifically mentions "people carry less of the virus, and seem less likely to pass it on to others." As for overwhelming hospitals, I don't understand why it wouldn't be sufficient to vaccinate the at risk population (old and obese people, for example).

EB-Barrington 5y ago

"Our vaccines are working exceptionally well. They continue to work well for Delta with regard to severe illness and death - they prevent it, but what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission." CDC Director Rochelle Walensky

kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
Interesting - is there a link that could be quoted? I think it would be interesting to many people. As I say, the belief is very widespread. For example this article shared by another commentator also says vaccinated people "seem less likely to pass it on to others": https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/sterilizing-immunity-myth-covid-19-vaccines/620023/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/steriliz...
maxerickson 5y ago
She is specifically saying that people with breakthrough infections are infectious there, she isn't characterizing the overall impact of vaccination on transmission there. A vaccine that fails to totally prevent transmission can of course still be reducing transmission (and this is likely the case with COVID).

mschuster91 5y ago

> Most people, including governments, seem to be under the impression that the vaccines prevent spreading. Indeed, but wrongly. "Sterilizing immunity" is a myth, even including historical vaccines [1]. > It is the only rationale for vaccination mandates that are being rolled out all over the world. Nope, the rationale behind the vaccination mandates is to prevent the medical system (or, in case of enough infections, society itself) from being overloaded. When the entire staff of a power plant, for example, catches Omicron shit gets really hairy really fast. [1]: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/sterilizing-immunity-myth-covid-19-vaccines/620023/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/steriliz...

blitzar 5y ago
> Indeed, but wrongly. "Sterilizing immunity" is a myth, even including historical vaccines [1]. The near zero "Sterilizing immunity" should only come as a shock that it is so much lower than usual to medical professionals, especially for a virus which by basic observation over the last 2 years has a high proportion of asymptomatic carriers who infect a large number of people while being oblivious to their own infection. > Nope, the rationale behind the vaccination mandates is to prevent the medical system The rationale they offer is to make their pouplation immune to infection, and immune to passing on to 'vulnerable people who can not have the vaccine'. Assuming they believe what they say, they are idiots. In reality having the vaccine is not a selfless choice for all humanity, it is a choice entirely to benefit ones self induvidually. Your risk of death goes down dramatically should you become infected with covid. Hugging grandma doesnt become safer because you have had a vaccine, it becomes safer if they have.
kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
The article in the Atlantic specifically mentions "people carry less of the virus, and seem less likely to pass it on to others." As for overwhelming hospitals, I don't understand why it wouldn't be sufficient to vaccinate the at risk population (old and obese people, for example).