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The algebra thing is way more complicated than “attacks on algebra” if you weren’t already aware. They’re talking about integrated math where students all lear

The algebra thing is way more complicated than “attacks on algebra” if you weren’t already aware. They’re talking about integrated math where students all learn the same concepts at the same time, but students that can handle more complex work still get it. Some math concepts will actually be introduced earlier than they were previously, and the curriculum is shifting to include more applied math like statistics rather than calculus being the end-all. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-05-21/why-california-math-plan-riling-up-parents-teachers?_amp=true https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-05-21/why-cali...

civilized 5y ago
Not what I'm hearing. https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=6146 https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=6146
- micromacrofoot 5y ago
  Right that post is some acceptance, some feedback, and some concern… it’s not traipsing around the comments repeating the trollish phrase “attack on algebra”
  - civilized 5y ago
    I wonder why you've repeatedly misquoted me in a deceptive fashion? Very interesting behavior. Does that belong on Hacker News?
    - micromacrofoot 5y ago
      you said “attacks on early Algebra” the difference is immaterial to my point
      - civilized 5y ago
        A bit late now, don't you think? Why don't you go edit your earlier misquotes and change the deceptive implications of the misquotes as well? I never claimed anyone was attacking "algebra", just the ability of all students to easily take it "early" (i.e. before high school), as has been traditionally allowed. Feel free to apologize and change my mind, but I have you flagged as a liar and the conversation will proceed accordingly.
        micromacrofoot 5y ago
        I think you’ve got me confused for someone else, I made a single quote of the parent comment I was replying to which contained the words “attacks on early algebra”
        micromacrofoot 5y ago
        I’ve made my point and have nothing else to say. I don’t think there’s a notable difference between “attack on algebra” and “attacks on early algebra” - my point is that saying it either way is reductive and misleading. Sorry to upset you.
        civilized 5y ago
        You're a liar and by not apologizing for and fixing what you actually did, you are doubling down on your entitlement to lie.
        civilized 5y ago
        I certainly do not. Go review your own posts. Playing dumb won't help you here, liar. And nice edit, but it's not up to you to decide whether misquoting me is legitimate because you feel a word I said isn't relevant to your point. Quite obviously it was relevant, as I elaborated. You're dishonest for the sake of rhetoric and you should be ashamed of yourself.
        micromacrofoot 5y ago
        Can you help me out and explain what you’re so upset about very specifically? I feel like i’m missing something significant, I can assure you if it seems like i’m playing dumb it’s much more likely that I am actually dumb.
  - ImprobableTruth 5y ago
    When something like "we believe that many of the changes proposed by the CMF are deeply misguided and will disproportionately harm under-resourced students" is marked in bold, it seems absurd to me to characterize this as "some acceptance, some feedback, some concern". To me it's quite clearly a very negative letter.
zozbot234 5y ago
> students all learn the same concepts at the same time, but students that can handle more complex work still get it. This is a failing approach. Math is built incrementally: you don't do "more complex work" for the heck of it, you progress incrementally by building upon what you've learned previously, throughout the K-12 curriculum. Having the students march in lockstep and literally "learn the same concepts at the same time" is a recipe for severe, enduring, unaddressed gaps in foundational math understanding, of the sort that is critically relevant to all subsequent work in STEM including statistics and data science. Heck, the gold standard educational approach is "mastery learning", which is based on not having students progress in lock-step, but everyone learning at their own pace with close-to-individualized tutoring to the greatest feasible extent. The approach you describe is trying to do the opposite! Forget about algebra, this is exactly how you get students who can't even grok fractions in 8th grade or so.

civilized 5y ago

Not what I'm hearing. https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=6146 https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=6146

micromacrofoot 5y ago
Right that post is some acceptance, some feedback, and some concern… it’s not traipsing around the comments repeating the trollish phrase “attack on algebra”
- civilized 5y ago
  I wonder why you've repeatedly misquoted me in a deceptive fashion? Very interesting behavior. Does that belong on Hacker News?
  - micromacrofoot 5y ago
    you said “attacks on early Algebra” the difference is immaterial to my point
    - civilized 5y ago
      A bit late now, don't you think? Why don't you go edit your earlier misquotes and change the deceptive implications of the misquotes as well? I never claimed anyone was attacking "algebra", just the ability of all students to easily take it "early" (i.e. before high school), as has been traditionally allowed. Feel free to apologize and change my mind, but I have you flagged as a liar and the conversation will proceed accordingly.
      - micromacrofoot 5y ago
        I think you’ve got me confused for someone else, I made a single quote of the parent comment I was replying to which contained the words “attacks on early algebra”
        micromacrofoot 5y ago
        I’ve made my point and have nothing else to say. I don’t think there’s a notable difference between “attack on algebra” and “attacks on early algebra” - my point is that saying it either way is reductive and misleading. Sorry to upset you.
        civilized 5y ago
        You're a liar and by not apologizing for and fixing what you actually did, you are doubling down on your entitlement to lie.
        civilized 5y ago
        I certainly do not. Go review your own posts. Playing dumb won't help you here, liar. And nice edit, but it's not up to you to decide whether misquoting me is legitimate because you feel a word I said isn't relevant to your point. Quite obviously it was relevant, as I elaborated. You're dishonest for the sake of rhetoric and you should be ashamed of yourself.
        micromacrofoot 5y ago
        Can you help me out and explain what you’re so upset about very specifically? I feel like i’m missing something significant, I can assure you if it seems like i’m playing dumb it’s much more likely that I am actually dumb.
- ImprobableTruth 5y ago
  When something like "we believe that many of the changes proposed by the CMF are deeply misguided and will disproportionately harm under-resourced students" is marked in bold, it seems absurd to me to characterize this as "some acceptance, some feedback, some concern". To me it's quite clearly a very negative letter.

zozbot234 5y ago

> students all learn the same concepts at the same time, but students that can handle more complex work still get it. This is a failing approach. Math is built incrementally: you don't do "more complex work" for the heck of it, you progress incrementally by building upon what you've learned previously, throughout the K-12 curriculum. Having the students march in lockstep and literally "learn the same concepts at the same time" is a recipe for severe, enduring, unaddressed gaps in foundational math understanding, of the sort that is critically relevant to all subsequent work in STEM including statistics and data science. Heck, the gold standard educational approach is "mastery learning", which is based on not having students progress in lock-step, but everyone learning at their own pace with close-to-individualized tutoring to the greatest feasible extent. The approach you describe is trying to do the opposite! Forget about algebra, this is exactly how you get students who can't even grok fractions in 8th grade or so.