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Very long and very detailed, and a lot of fun to read. Closest thing to a conclusion I found was the notion that the devices are quite different from one anothe
by branon 5y ago
Very long and very detailed, and a lot of fun to read. Closest thing to a conclusion I found was the notion that the devices are quite different from one another. They seek to accomplish the same basic goal, but cater to different groups. This seems reasonable and I'm glad there's some freedom of choice.
Both projects are rather far along at this point, at least relative to other, past attempts. Personally I've had a lot of fun with the PinePhone which I opted for mainly because the Librem 5's price tag is out of my reach.
I'm excited for the PinePhone Pro to launch which I'll be purchasing as well. One thought that the author expressed, about buying into these projects not necessarily to receive an immediately functional product, but to participate and invest in improving the state of affairs as a whole, really resonated with me.
I think the Pro will really help tip the scales from "technically functional curiosity" to "viable daily driver" -- the current state of the device, while excellent in a relative sense, isn't _quite_ enough to replace Android for me.
It's hard to tell if it's just not ready, or if my expectations keep changing even as the device's capabilities improve. It feels like the "Year of the Linux desktop" problem, just with a phone this time. It's always technically ready, yet somehow also simultaneously not ready in a more practical sense. Maybe I just need to be more involved?
Perhaps it's even more sinister than that. Maybe the current duopoly (Apple/Google) continues to develop their ecosystems partly out of self-defense. The faster they "innovate" and add useless features (like the author's list of anti-features), the further "behind" independent projects like Pine64/Purism appear to be.
Thankfully the trained eye can discern that these devices are in a class by themselves. Hopefully they don't get compared to Android/iOS too often, like I just did. Only with the best of intentions, I promise!
- pmontra 5y agoIt's not the features Apple and Google add to their systems. It's that I need something to run the banking apps I need to log into my bank accounts with 2FA. It's closer to needing a Windows PC because that program (filing taxes?) runs only there or only with IE6. The solution used to be a VM, maybe I'll be able to reliably virtualize any Android app on a Linux phone. Then I'll buy one.
- branon 5y ago> maybe I'll be able to reliably virtualize any Android app on a Linux phone. You almost can, check out https://anbox.io/ https://anbox.io/ For what it's worth, I can log into my bank just fine with 2FA using a web browser. The mobile app they provide (for Android at least) is also one of the most consistently low-quality apps I have the displeasure of using on a regular basis. As of the most recent update, it's decided to reliably crash on startup every single time I try to launch it, rendering it useless. So, the old back-and-forth: if you are keeping a Windows VM around _solely_ to log into that one thing using IE6, you probably don't need it as much as you think you do. Or it would be less cumulative effort to find a workaround so you can dump such a cumbersome access method.