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Wishing something is true doesn't make it true. How many more times do these bodies need to pass "orders" that don't result in any action before they come up w

Wishing something is true doesn't make it true. How many more times do these bodies need to pass "orders" that don't result in any action before they come up with a new approach? The US does not have GDPR. Period. Flat out. Full stop. Once you understand that, things will make a lot more sense. And no, extraterritoriality means absolute zero here. That french citizen traveling in America? Heads up, US Customs does not have to respect to GDPR. Neither does the walmart he shops at. Neither does Amazon if he orders something online. Claiming they do is weird, that's not how it works. Before we are snarking about clearview having to come up with new arguments, let's evaluate how well their current arguments are working? Pretty darn well. And my guess is the US government, rather than shutting them down, will PAY them to do their stuff, ESPECIALLY on overseas nationals. This is exactly the type of big government "anti terrorism" surveillance style databases govts love.

curryst 5y ago
> Heads up, US Customs does not have to respect to GDPR. Customs is part of a sovereign nation. What customs can and can't do has precious little bearing on what companies can and can't do. It's basically irrelevant. > Neither does the walmart he shops at. Neither does Amazon if he orders something online. Sure, if both are OK with not being able to operate in the EU _and_ believe the US government will take the political heat for refusing to enforce the EUs laws. We also don't strictly _have_ to extradite criminals to other countries. But we usually do. International law functions nothing like domestic law, because there is no higher power to say "no, you can't do that". If the EU can get the US to punish US companies through diplomacy, force or trades, then that's how things work. If they can't, then it's not how things work. My guess is that the US won't shield them. It's not critical for US defense, largely redundant with data available from Facebook, and we're already fighting to keep our existing tech giants abroad. Clearview is more useful as a sacrificial pawn than trying to get it crowned a queen.
- tempnow987 5y ago
  The political heat for refusing to enforce EU laws? Is this a serious claim? American's by and large don't want others laws enforced here. Not China's, not middle eastern laws, and they fought a war of independence against having European laws apply in the US (ie, the US killed folks over this). A current political issue is partly the US enforcement of its laws overseas, which has rubbed many countries the wrong way. Because of the significance of the US in the current financial system the US has exercised really outsized power internationally.
- UncleEntity 5y ago
  > We also don't strictly _have_ to extradite criminals to other countries. But we usually do. As far as I know a country won’t extradite one of their citizens for something that isn’t illegal in their home country. Or extradite for something that is legal in the country else we’d be seeing a bunch of Saudi expat women getting extradited for gasp driving a car or something.
  - sterlind 5y ago
    Thailand was mulling over extraditing Nur Sajat, a Malaysian trans woman, on charges of blasphemy for "cross-dressing," a crime implicitly defined in its Sharia court system. I'm not sure where happened in her case, but the very fact Thailand didn't reject Malaysia's request immediately suggests people are extradited even when the charges wouldn't apply in the extraditing country.

curryst 5y ago

> Heads up, US Customs does not have to respect to GDPR. Customs is part of a sovereign nation. What customs can and can't do has precious little bearing on what companies can and can't do. It's basically irrelevant. > Neither does the walmart he shops at. Neither does Amazon if he orders something online. Sure, if both are OK with not being able to operate in the EU _and_ believe the US government will take the political heat for refusing to enforce the EUs laws. We also don't strictly _have_ to extradite criminals to other countries. But we usually do. International law functions nothing like domestic law, because there is no higher power to say "no, you can't do that". If the EU can get the US to punish US companies through diplomacy, force or trades, then that's how things work. If they can't, then it's not how things work. My guess is that the US won't shield them. It's not critical for US defense, largely redundant with data available from Facebook, and we're already fighting to keep our existing tech giants abroad. Clearview is more useful as a sacrificial pawn than trying to get it crowned a queen.

tempnow987 5y ago
The political heat for refusing to enforce EU laws? Is this a serious claim? American's by and large don't want others laws enforced here. Not China's, not middle eastern laws, and they fought a war of independence against having European laws apply in the US (ie, the US killed folks over this). A current political issue is partly the US enforcement of its laws overseas, which has rubbed many countries the wrong way. Because of the significance of the US in the current financial system the US has exercised really outsized power internationally.
UncleEntity 5y ago
> We also don't strictly _have_ to extradite criminals to other countries. But we usually do. As far as I know a country won’t extradite one of their citizens for something that isn’t illegal in their home country. Or extradite for something that is legal in the country else we’d be seeing a bunch of Saudi expat women getting extradited for gasp driving a car or something.
- sterlind 5y ago
  Thailand was mulling over extraditing Nur Sajat, a Malaysian trans woman, on charges of blasphemy for "cross-dressing," a crime implicitly defined in its Sharia court system. I'm not sure where happened in her case, but the very fact Thailand didn't reject Malaysia's request immediately suggests people are extradited even when the charges wouldn't apply in the extraditing country.