I think k8s is exactly the reason we are moving back to separate ops vs dev modus operandi in many cases. Projects like Terraform and Pulumi moved us towards a

I think k8s is exactly the reason we are moving back to separate ops vs dev modus operandi in many cases. Projects like Terraform and Pulumi moved us towards a more vertically integrated development process, bringing the knowledge and tooling of SRE people right into the application repository. And when k8s turned out to be too complex for this setup we claim that the previous way of doing things was better. I disagree, strongly. If anything, we are going to skip k8s and just use the other solutions (AWS, Azure, even on-prem with other tools than k8s) and we are going to keep our devops tools, integrated teams and the progress we made in the last decade.