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If the mutations continue, at some point the mortality rate will likely meet the mortality rate of the seasonal flu. Hopefully we can then compare COVID to the

If the mutations continue, at some point the mortality rate will likely meet the mortality rate of the seasonal flu. Hopefully we can then compare COVID to the season flu on any large media outlet / platform without being canceled, so that we can accept it as such and not rework our lives a dozen times a year around restrictions.

GDC7 5y ago
> Hopefully we can then compare COVID to the season flu on any large media outlet It will never happen, humans take more and more to recover from traumatic events and people who claim that it's time to put the traumatic event behind our back and go on with our lives are singled out as irresponsible . See the 2008 financial crisis, we are still doing QE, Fed balance sheet would never go back to normal , we have scam companies worth hundreds of billions and perhaps the most scammy one just went above a trillion in financial value with no real tangible product presence in a market in which commands a 1% presence.
- saila 5y ago
  I guess it depends on the person, but this doesn't square with what I see, and I live in what's considered a very liberal area with relatively strict mandates. People are going to bars & clubs, eating out, holiday shopping, etc. Even people who are being more cautious right now are itching to get out and do stuff. I think we'll recover just fine.
dnautics 5y ago
> likely meet the mortality rate of the seasonal flu We should consider the possiblity that we are already there with omicron.
1shooner 5y ago
I thought the pushback on the comparison to flu was the conclusion that's intended to draw. The 2018 flu outbreak hospitalized approximately 710,000 Americans[0]. Public health professionals generally thing flu should have more public attention, so saying we should be unconcerned because now we have another disease as impactful as flu, I can see them objecting. 0. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
mkolodny 5y ago
According to the CDC, the flu caused 12,000-52,000 deaths a year in the US between 2010-2020 [0]. While covid caused more than 800,000 deaths in the US over the past two years, and more than 36,000 US deaths over the past month alone [1]. At this point, covid is still orders of magnitude deadlier than the flu. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html [1] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_totaldeaths https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_totaldeaths
- wk_end 5y ago
  ...it’s 12k-50k per year. So just (“just”) one order of magnitude or so.
  - mkolodny 5y ago
    Since June 2020, flu deaths have been in the single digits or teens most months, while covid deaths have been in the thousands or tens of thousands each month [0]. So covid is around 3 orders of magnitude more deadly than the flu. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
- ipspam 5y ago
  Can't compare apples and oranges. For flu seasons, regular classification applies. For pandemics, all persons that die with Covid are Covid deaths. Apples and oranges.
  - 2-718-281-828 5y ago
    is this also a thing in the states? in germany even people who died from accidents but have tested positive for covid (either pre or post mortem) are counted as died from corona - not kidding. - https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/panorama/corona-tote-rki-statistik-haeussler-100.html https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/panorama/corona-tote-rki-stat... - https://www.heise.de/tp/features/Wer-zaehlt-als-Corona-Toter-5035504.html?seite=all https://www.heise.de/tp/features/Wer-zaehlt-als-Corona-Toter...
gentleman11 5y ago
There is no guarantee of that at all. Many diseases get worse over time https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/dec/08/facebook-posts/viruses-and-other-pathogens-can-evolve-become-more/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/dec/08/facebook-p...

GDC7 5y ago

> Hopefully we can then compare COVID to the season flu on any large media outlet It will never happen, humans take more and more to recover from traumatic events and people who claim that it's time to put the traumatic event behind our back and go on with our lives are singled out as irresponsible . See the 2008 financial crisis, we are still doing QE, Fed balance sheet would never go back to normal , we have scam companies worth hundreds of billions and perhaps the most scammy one just went above a trillion in financial value with no real tangible product presence in a market in which commands a 1% presence.

saila 5y ago
I guess it depends on the person, but this doesn't square with what I see, and I live in what's considered a very liberal area with relatively strict mandates. People are going to bars & clubs, eating out, holiday shopping, etc. Even people who are being more cautious right now are itching to get out and do stuff. I think we'll recover just fine.

dnautics 5y ago

> likely meet the mortality rate of the seasonal flu We should consider the possiblity that we are already there with omicron.

1shooner 5y ago

I thought the pushback on the comparison to flu was the conclusion that's intended to draw. The 2018 flu outbreak hospitalized approximately 710,000 Americans[0]. Public health professionals generally thing flu should have more public attention, so saying we should be unconcerned because now we have another disease as impactful as flu, I can see them objecting. 0. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

mkolodny 5y ago

According to the CDC, the flu caused 12,000-52,000 deaths a year in the US between 2010-2020 [0]. While covid caused more than 800,000 deaths in the US over the past two years, and more than 36,000 US deaths over the past month alone [1]. At this point, covid is still orders of magnitude deadlier than the flu. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html [1] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_totaldeaths https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_totaldeaths

wk_end 5y ago
...it’s 12k-50k per year. So just (“just”) one order of magnitude or so.
- mkolodny 5y ago
  Since June 2020, flu deaths have been in the single digits or teens most months, while covid deaths have been in the thousands or tens of thousands each month [0]. So covid is around 3 orders of magnitude more deadly than the flu. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
ipspam 5y ago
Can't compare apples and oranges. For flu seasons, regular classification applies. For pandemics, all persons that die with Covid are Covid deaths. Apples and oranges.
- 2-718-281-828 5y ago
  is this also a thing in the states? in germany even people who died from accidents but have tested positive for covid (either pre or post mortem) are counted as died from corona - not kidding. - https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/panorama/corona-tote-rki-statistik-haeussler-100.html https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/panorama/corona-tote-rki-stat... - https://www.heise.de/tp/features/Wer-zaehlt-als-Corona-Toter-5035504.html?seite=all https://www.heise.de/tp/features/Wer-zaehlt-als-Corona-Toter...

gentleman11 5y ago

There is no guarantee of that at all. Many diseases get worse over time https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/dec/08/facebook-posts/viruses-and-other-pathogens-can-evolve-become-more/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/dec/08/facebook-p...