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I would bet on the growth of notepads and smartphone usage by children 0-2 age. There are evidences that electronics and smart screens are destructive for the c

by vldchk 5y ago

I would bet on the growth of notepads and smartphone usage by children 0-2 age. There are evidences that electronics and smart screens are destructive for the cognitive development of infants, while they are super easy to adopt by lazy parents. Click on some YTube show and baby won’t bother you for the next hour or two.

ryantgtg 5y ago
Lazy parents? Don’t be hasty. A coworker of mine had every intention of not having any screentime for their toddler. But lockdown meant two parents working from home + no daycare. The solutions were either one of them quits their job or they buy an iPad. Economy necessity dictated the latter. With my toddler, we retained zero screentime simply because my wife is freelance and can get away with ~10 hours of actual work per week.
- saurik 5y ago
  > But lockdown... The entire point of this sub-thread was to analyze the trend pre-lockdown. (FWIW, I'm then not wanting to comment on whether this is lazy behavior or not, but just that this defense is out of place.)
- watwut 5y ago
  I had same intention. Even practically largely managed. And then, when I shown toddler first fairy tale, toddler started to have way more varied and imaginative games. Turns out, it does not destroys them at all. It can actually add quite a lot. The harm can happen if you overdo it a lot. But some watching or playing is not destroying them at all.
cdubzzz 5y ago
> There are evidences that electronics and smart screens are destructive for the cognitive development of infants, while they are super easy to adopt by lazy parents. I know this is a poor form but fuck you. We work our asses off to give our kids what is generally accepted as a “good” upbringing and it’s hard. Hard during any normal period of time and even harder when dealing the pressures of the pandemic’s affect on work, day care, extracurricular activities, etc. Happy to read whatever evidence you have on this topic. I’m keenly interested and sure as shit not “lazy” for allowing our children time to play age appropriate games on a tablet.
- llampx 5y ago
  Leave out the ad homs please, this is not reddit.
- dang 5y ago
  > I know this is a poor form but fuck you. Please don't do that here, regardless of how strong and legitimate your feelings are. It only makes things worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - cdubzzz 5y ago
    Yes yes. Sorry for the vitriol. As you say, emotionally activating (:
hubb 5y ago
no chance this guy has kids. ppl said this same thing about television. if you read newspaper clippings from the early 20th century you can find letters to the editor about parents concerned their kids read too many books
- Ma8ee 5y ago
  And I think it is a valid concern even today. It’s not that there’s anything inherently bad or dangerous with books, videos or computer games. But too much of anything steal time that is needed for other parts of a well rounded upbringing. If you spend too much time in front of a screen or books, you won’t spend enough time being outdoors and being physically active, or being with friends practicing social skills and conflict resolution. And the opposite is of course also true: if you spend all days doing sports or just hanging out with friends, there won’t be enough time for reading or other types of experiences.
  - rock_hard 5y ago
    Some people have excessive behaviors…got nothing to do with TV, Games, Sugar, etc They just need help to learn to manage those excessive behaviors
    - Ma8ee 5y ago
      Some behaviours are more immediately rewarding than other. It’s rare to find anyone eating too much broccoli or having problems stop rehearsing German irregular verbs.
      - rock_hard 5y ago
        Absolutely, even more important to learn how to manage those early in life and adopt healthy behaviors
- vldchk 5y ago
  But surprise for you — I have. And I know that it is more than possible to develop your young ones without engaging them to electronics until they reach at least 2 years old.
kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
"There are evidences" - really? There are certainly people who are of the opinion, but evidence?
dang 5y ago
> lazy parents That is both name-calling and flamebait, and therefore breaks the HN guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). Can you please make your substantive points without doing that? Note this guideline also: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." Parenting is one of the most emotionally activating topics that exists, and therefore one of the most divisive.
- vldchk 5y ago
  I am a parent myself and I know very good the cost of it, and yes - I think if you enable cartoons on YouTube for your few months old kid - that’s the laziness. You always can find a way to attract and engage your baby without electronics. You can report me and ban, I don’t mind

by vldchk 5y ago

ryantgtg 5y ago

Lazy parents? Don’t be hasty. A coworker of mine had every intention of not having any screentime for their toddler. But lockdown meant two parents working from home + no daycare. The solutions were either one of them quits their job or they buy an iPad. Economy necessity dictated the latter. With my toddler, we retained zero screentime simply because my wife is freelance and can get away with ~10 hours of actual work per week.

saurik 5y ago
> But lockdown... The entire point of this sub-thread was to analyze the trend pre-lockdown. (FWIW, I'm then not wanting to comment on whether this is lazy behavior or not, but just that this defense is out of place.)
watwut 5y ago
I had same intention. Even practically largely managed. And then, when I shown toddler first fairy tale, toddler started to have way more varied and imaginative games. Turns out, it does not destroys them at all. It can actually add quite a lot. The harm can happen if you overdo it a lot. But some watching or playing is not destroying them at all.

cdubzzz 5y ago

> There are evidences that electronics and smart screens are destructive for the cognitive development of infants, while they are super easy to adopt by lazy parents. I know this is a poor form but fuck you. We work our asses off to give our kids what is generally accepted as a “good” upbringing and it’s hard. Hard during any normal period of time and even harder when dealing the pressures of the pandemic’s affect on work, day care, extracurricular activities, etc. Happy to read whatever evidence you have on this topic. I’m keenly interested and sure as shit not “lazy” for allowing our children time to play age appropriate games on a tablet.

llampx 5y ago
Leave out the ad homs please, this is not reddit.
dang 5y ago
> I know this is a poor form but fuck you. Please don't do that here, regardless of how strong and legitimate your feelings are. It only makes things worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- cdubzzz 5y ago
  Yes yes. Sorry for the vitriol. As you say, emotionally activating (:

hubb 5y ago

no chance this guy has kids. ppl said this same thing about television. if you read newspaper clippings from the early 20th century you can find letters to the editor about parents concerned their kids read too many books

Ma8ee 5y ago
And I think it is a valid concern even today. It’s not that there’s anything inherently bad or dangerous with books, videos or computer games. But too much of anything steal time that is needed for other parts of a well rounded upbringing. If you spend too much time in front of a screen or books, you won’t spend enough time being outdoors and being physically active, or being with friends practicing social skills and conflict resolution. And the opposite is of course also true: if you spend all days doing sports or just hanging out with friends, there won’t be enough time for reading or other types of experiences.
- rock_hard 5y ago
  Some people have excessive behaviors…got nothing to do with TV, Games, Sugar, etc They just need help to learn to manage those excessive behaviors
  - Ma8ee 5y ago
    Some behaviours are more immediately rewarding than other. It’s rare to find anyone eating too much broccoli or having problems stop rehearsing German irregular verbs.
    - rock_hard 5y ago
      Absolutely, even more important to learn how to manage those early in life and adopt healthy behaviors
vldchk 5y ago
But surprise for you — I have. And I know that it is more than possible to develop your young ones without engaging them to electronics until they reach at least 2 years old.

kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago

"There are evidences" - really? There are certainly people who are of the opinion, but evidence?

dang 5y ago

> lazy parents That is both name-calling and flamebait, and therefore breaks the HN guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). Can you please make your substantive points without doing that? Note this guideline also: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." Parenting is one of the most emotionally activating topics that exists, and therefore one of the most divisive.

vldchk 5y ago
I am a parent myself and I know very good the cost of it, and yes - I think if you enable cartoons on YouTube for your few months old kid - that’s the laziness. You always can find a way to attract and engage your baby without electronics. You can report me and ban, I don’t mind