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I think there is most definitely conditioning going on. I watched my fiance click on one of the "accept all cookies" GDPR-prompts (it's become an antipattern) a

by fault1 5y ago

I think there is most definitely conditioning going on. I watched my fiance click on one of the "accept all cookies" GDPR-prompts (it's become an antipattern) a few days ago. She almost automatically did it without thinking. I went to the same site on my laptop and if you clicked decline, it immediately brought up modal dialogs that made that site unusable. I can see why 99% of people would be conditioning to just hit yes.

jeffbee 5y ago
And you blame Google for that, instead of some brain-dead Eurocrat?
- mrtranscendence 5y ago
  Who said anything about blaming google for users clicking “ok” without thinking about it?
  - jeffbee 5y ago
    The person to whom I replied!
    - theWreckluse 5y ago
      To be fair, he said Google and others. I still don't know how much Google is responsible though.
      - hetspookjee 5y ago
        Google goes way further and doesn't even serve a prompt. Instead they show you a opt-out plugin that you can download to run in your browser. Most blatant disregard of rules and feeling better than the rest behaviour if you ask me.
        jefftk 5y ago
        Link?
        hetspookjee 5y ago
        https://tools.google.com/dlpage/gaoptout https://tools.google.com/dlpage/gaoptout
        jefftk 5y ago
        The site owner interacts with the user to get consent or not (often via a CMP) and then decides whether and how to invoke third-party scripts, including Google Analytics. The alternative would be for each third party script on the page to attempt to inject their own set of consent dialogues, but those would conflict with each other. The extension you're linking allows someone to opt out of Google Analytics across all sites. That pretty much has to be a browser extension, because GA by default doesn't use any third-party cookies (and third party cookies are going away anyway). (Disclosure: I work at Google, speaking only for myself)
        hetspookjee 5y ago
        Thank you for replying. Though, I do not understand why a plugin is required? It feels even more invasive to have such a thing running in the browser. My understanding is that I have an advertisement ID attached to my user, and that enables Google to infer who I am and what my persona is about, to match me with personalized ads. Wherever possible I disallow Google and all others to stop tracking me, having done so in my account. I find it odd I also need to disallow the tracking from Google, through a third party site (e.g. anyone's blog) even though I have already done so through every direct means possible. What do the consent settings in Google even mean then if I need to allow/disallow consent of tracking per seperate website in addition?
        jefftk 5y ago
        Your understanding is correct for Google Ads, but in its default (and most common) configuration, Google Analytics does not interact with that third party cookie ID. GA is primarily a tool for helping publishers understand what's happening on their sites, and so uses a first-party (per-site) cookie.
- denton-scratch 5y ago
  Which Eurocrat required stupid popups? And since when did US corporations kow-tow to EU bureaucrats? This is stupid corporations, hiding behind GDPR to plant cookies.

by fault1 5y ago

jeffbee 5y ago

And you blame Google for that, instead of some brain-dead Eurocrat?

mrtranscendence 5y ago
Who said anything about blaming google for users clicking “ok” without thinking about it?
- jeffbee 5y ago
  The person to whom I replied!
  - theWreckluse 5y ago
    To be fair, he said Google and others. I still don't know how much Google is responsible though.
    - hetspookjee 5y ago
      Google goes way further and doesn't even serve a prompt. Instead they show you a opt-out plugin that you can download to run in your browser. Most blatant disregard of rules and feeling better than the rest behaviour if you ask me.
      - jefftk 5y ago
        Link?
        hetspookjee 5y ago
        https://tools.google.com/dlpage/gaoptout https://tools.google.com/dlpage/gaoptout
        jefftk 5y ago
        The site owner interacts with the user to get consent or not (often via a CMP) and then decides whether and how to invoke third-party scripts, including Google Analytics. The alternative would be for each third party script on the page to attempt to inject their own set of consent dialogues, but those would conflict with each other. The extension you're linking allows someone to opt out of Google Analytics across all sites. That pretty much has to be a browser extension, because GA by default doesn't use any third-party cookies (and third party cookies are going away anyway). (Disclosure: I work at Google, speaking only for myself)
        hetspookjee 5y ago
        Thank you for replying. Though, I do not understand why a plugin is required? It feels even more invasive to have such a thing running in the browser. My understanding is that I have an advertisement ID attached to my user, and that enables Google to infer who I am and what my persona is about, to match me with personalized ads. Wherever possible I disallow Google and all others to stop tracking me, having done so in my account. I find it odd I also need to disallow the tracking from Google, through a third party site (e.g. anyone's blog) even though I have already done so through every direct means possible. What do the consent settings in Google even mean then if I need to allow/disallow consent of tracking per seperate website in addition?
        jefftk 5y ago
        Your understanding is correct for Google Ads, but in its default (and most common) configuration, Google Analytics does not interact with that third party cookie ID. GA is primarily a tool for helping publishers understand what's happening on their sites, and so uses a first-party (per-site) cookie.
denton-scratch 5y ago
Which Eurocrat required stupid popups? And since when did US corporations kow-tow to EU bureaucrats? This is stupid corporations, hiding behind GDPR to plant cookies.