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> I haven't used an iPhone 3G, but people seem to think it's an inferior product in various ways. When I complained about the lack of 3g on the original iPhone

> I haven't used an iPhone 3G, but people seem to think it's an inferior product in various ways. When I complained about the lack of 3g on the original iPhone, I knew why, I understood the drawbacks, I understood the reasoning. I had prior experience with 3g mobile phones and personally knew that even with said drawbacks that it would be something I could live with. So I bought the original iPhone, then gave it up for the 3g iPhone when released. Don't regret it at all now..the only thing I want now is the mophie juice pack so I don't have to worry so much about battery (not that it's exceptionally bad in only the iPhone, it's pretty bad in most 3g phones, and iPhone more so for some of the applications). I love 3G on my iPhone. > Another complaint is that third-party apps tend to crash a lot. Apple had that problem solved last year, too: They didn't permit third-party apps. When I complained about the lack of an SDK for the phone, it was knowing that this was a brand new project (relatively) but that every single public excuse of Apple's was full of shit. I might also note that I jailbroke my phone on 1.1.x firmware and apps crashed too. Yes, Apple has some issues with 2.x (bug report time!), but a lot of the crashing is developer error. Like with any other program. No surprises there. Anyone expecting perfection in this area is completely delusional. Plus, I'd take a crash happy iPhone with third party apps over nothing. Makes my phone much more of a pleasure to use. Even if Apple ignored the third party app request, people would still be hacking away at it anyway (yay jailbreak). > And the fact that the phone is now more expensive? I realize the 3g iPhone is subsidized. I realize it's more expensive in the long run. But many phones are like that. I don't approve of Apple's marketing (it's "cheaper"! uh huh), but...really...just don't buy it if you don't like it, like you say. Anyway, all this to say that maybe I'm not a typical fangirl, but there's plenty legitimate reasons to criticize, and some people are doing it understanding the whole situation. On a sidenote, most people I've encountered complaining about 3g have nobody but themselves to blame. Yes there are some legitimate issues with 3g on the iPhone, but a lot of these people are overestimating what AT&T can give to them - i.e. it's not the phone they should be blaming in their case, it's AT&T's service or lack thereof. And personally, AT&T is the worst part of the whole iPhone experience, every single one of my troubles starting from day 1 has been with them and only once with Apple (solved in under a day with a free exchange and a store manager apologising, whoops). edit: Lastly, there's a lot of old iPhones out there, some for cheap. I managed to sell my 8gb one for just over $220 (not so great cosmetic condition), and although prices don't seem to be dropping much, they're still out there. Wish AT&T would let people purchase the edge plan with the 3G phone though, I bet that would make you change your mind too :)

mechanical_fish 18y ago
but there's plenty legitimate reasons to criticize, and some people are doing it understanding the whole situation. True enough. And, in fact, I was wrong to call the consequences of the 3G redesign "bad". They're arguably bad for me, because what I want isn't necessarily the same as what the majority wants. But lots of people are very happy! Because they criticized the product, and Apple listened! Whether or not the 2G-to-3G design changes are bad or good isn't my main point. The point is that these changes were made in response to intense customer feedback -- Apple customers are scarcely apathetic -- and that just about all of the problems highlighted in the original article are side effects of this attempt to give customers what they asked for as quickly as possible. Wish AT&T would let people purchase the edge plan with the 3G phone though That would indeed be great -- although in my case the real stumbling block was the fact that I scored a spectacular own goal: back in January I switched to AT&T without buying an iPhone at the same time and locked myself out of the subsidy. In retrospect, that was foolish -- I assumed that the second-gen iPhone would be sold on the same terms as the first one, without a carrier subsidy. Until AT&T announced their subsidy policy, months later, I planned to buy a 3G phone, higher monthly price and all -- the cost differential isn't that big once the subsidy is included. The fact that I'm perfectly happy with my 2G phone is a serendipitous discovery.
- silencio 18y ago
  The thing is, despite all the racket about 3g, it was something that was going to be inevitable. It was only going to be a matter of time, especially if Apple planned to sell it overseas. Customers probably pushed it, but the iPhone 3G's popularity may just well be responsible for AT&T making network improvements in general. It would make sense to say that companies were waiting for 3g to mature in the US to introduce more 3G phones, but that wouldn't really happen until more people adopted it...you get the idea. Also, I'm surprised that your situation happened. I don't know much about upgrading and subsidies for AT&T, but in January? I guess that would mean you bought a subsidized phone back then?
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mechanical_fish 18y ago

but there's plenty legitimate reasons to criticize, and some people are doing it understanding the whole situation. True enough. And, in fact, I was wrong to call the consequences of the 3G redesign "bad". They're arguably bad for me, because what I want isn't necessarily the same as what the majority wants. But lots of people are very happy! Because they criticized the product, and Apple listened! Whether or not the 2G-to-3G design changes are bad or good isn't my main point. The point is that these changes were made in response to intense customer feedback -- Apple customers are scarcely apathetic -- and that just about all of the problems highlighted in the original article are side effects of this attempt to give customers what they asked for as quickly as possible. Wish AT&T would let people purchase the edge plan with the 3G phone though That would indeed be great -- although in my case the real stumbling block was the fact that I scored a spectacular own goal: back in January I switched to AT&T without buying an iPhone at the same time and locked myself out of the subsidy. In retrospect, that was foolish -- I assumed that the second-gen iPhone would be sold on the same terms as the first one, without a carrier subsidy. Until AT&T announced their subsidy policy, months later, I planned to buy a 3G phone, higher monthly price and all -- the cost differential isn't that big once the subsidy is included. The fact that I'm perfectly happy with my 2G phone is a serendipitous discovery.

silencio 18y ago
The thing is, despite all the racket about 3g, it was something that was going to be inevitable. It was only going to be a matter of time, especially if Apple planned to sell it overseas. Customers probably pushed it, but the iPhone 3G's popularity may just well be responsible for AT&T making network improvements in general. It would make sense to say that companies were waiting for 3g to mature in the US to introduce more 3G phones, but that wouldn't really happen until more people adopted it...you get the idea. Also, I'm surprised that your situation happened. I don't know much about upgrading and subsidies for AT&T, but in January? I guess that would mean you bought a subsidized phone back then?
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