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Our (Bay Area, CA) school district psychologist told us - “Most of our 4 and 5 years old are behind 1 to 2 year on their language and social development”. How

by option 5y ago

Our (Bay Area, CA) school district psychologist told us - “Most of our 4 and 5 years old are behind 1 to 2 year on their language and social development”. How this is not national news 24/7? It is a disaster. So much about protecting the children…

Zababa 5y ago
> So much about protecting the children… At least for covid, this has never been about protecting the children, mostly about protecting old people. I remember a classmate calling it "sacrificing the mental health of the youth for the physical health of the old".
- mandmandam 5y ago
  I imagine children's physical health is actually being severely affected as well, especially for children in lower income families. I would expect less physical movement overall (bad), more respiratory issues from over-wearing masks, anxiety manifesting as physical issues, and a host of other second order effects. And let's not forget that poorer kids worldwide are facing less access to dentists and other preventative medicine overall. That people are letting this stuff slide while 'health' companies post record profits is maddening.
  - option 5y ago
    I often run (maskless of course) on the street where I can see public’s school stadium. Kids there wear masks outside while running around stadium during PE class. What kind of insanity is this??! This is in Santa Clara county, CA.
    - astrange 5y ago
      Masks outside are good actually. It’s cold outside and they’re warm. You can’t wear a scarf while running.
      - option 5y ago
        good try. But Santa Clara county isn’t exactly a cold place, and they do it when it is +30C. I know parents whose kid actually fainted during PE outside.
        astrange 5y ago
        I mean it’s surprisingly cold right now. Isn’t calling anything under 55F freezing part of the California lifestyle? But yes in summer the only real upside is getting to dress like a bank robber.
- smt88 5y ago
  Lots of people who aren't old or otherwise sick were killed by Covid. Regardless, having overflowing hospitals is bad for children and every other age group.
  - Zababa 5y ago
    I don't think that "lots" is true, at least in proportion. You can see that there are very big differences of death by covid depending on the age of the patients: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html/ https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investi.... Maybe we don't have the same definition of "children" and "old". My point is that people under 30 years paid a great price to protect mostly the health of people over 60 years old. I'll add a point that might sound very bad, but I think it has to be taken into account. In the country where I live, France, people between ~20 and ~60 years old pay for the healthcare and retirement of mostly everyone else. That means that if someone was 22 at the start of covid, and in their last 2 years of studies, they had a hard time to protect people 60+ years old. Then, for the next 20 years, they're going to pay the healthcare and the retirement of those people. Considering that the fertility is getting lower and lower in France, I think this is a very dangerous strategy for the long-term stability of public expanses. We are in a democracy, and we didn't get any choice in how covid was handled. In France the mean age is 42 years old, the median age is 41 years old [1]. The mean age in the Assemblée Nationale is 51 years old [2]. It's also the mean age of the current governement [3]. The mean age of mayors is 58 years old [4]. All of that makes me think that there might be a bias to protect older people, and that some of the decision taken came from that. [1]: https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/2381476 https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/2381476 [2]: https://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/dyn/vos-deputes https://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/dyn/vos-deputes [3]: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gouvernement_Jean_Castex https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gouvernement_Jean_Castex [4]: https://www.amf.asso.fr/documents-la-carte-didentite-maires-2020/40307 https://www.amf.asso.fr/documents-la-carte-didentite-maires-...
    - lazyasciiart 5y ago
      The average doctor in France is over 50 years old too. And all those ages use the same hospital beds.

by option 5y ago

Zababa 5y ago

> So much about protecting the children… At least for covid, this has never been about protecting the children, mostly about protecting old people. I remember a classmate calling it "sacrificing the mental health of the youth for the physical health of the old".

mandmandam 5y ago
I imagine children's physical health is actually being severely affected as well, especially for children in lower income families. I would expect less physical movement overall (bad), more respiratory issues from over-wearing masks, anxiety manifesting as physical issues, and a host of other second order effects. And let's not forget that poorer kids worldwide are facing less access to dentists and other preventative medicine overall. That people are letting this stuff slide while 'health' companies post record profits is maddening.
- option 5y ago
  I often run (maskless of course) on the street where I can see public’s school stadium. Kids there wear masks outside while running around stadium during PE class. What kind of insanity is this??! This is in Santa Clara county, CA.
  - astrange 5y ago
    Masks outside are good actually. It’s cold outside and they’re warm. You can’t wear a scarf while running.
    - option 5y ago
      good try. But Santa Clara county isn’t exactly a cold place, and they do it when it is +30C. I know parents whose kid actually fainted during PE outside.
      - astrange 5y ago
        I mean it’s surprisingly cold right now. Isn’t calling anything under 55F freezing part of the California lifestyle? But yes in summer the only real upside is getting to dress like a bank robber.
smt88 5y ago
Lots of people who aren't old or otherwise sick were killed by Covid. Regardless, having overflowing hospitals is bad for children and every other age group.
- Zababa 5y ago
  I don't think that "lots" is true, at least in proportion. You can see that there are very big differences of death by covid depending on the age of the patients: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html/ https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investi.... Maybe we don't have the same definition of "children" and "old". My point is that people under 30 years paid a great price to protect mostly the health of people over 60 years old. I'll add a point that might sound very bad, but I think it has to be taken into account. In the country where I live, France, people between ~20 and ~60 years old pay for the healthcare and retirement of mostly everyone else. That means that if someone was 22 at the start of covid, and in their last 2 years of studies, they had a hard time to protect people 60+ years old. Then, for the next 20 years, they're going to pay the healthcare and the retirement of those people. Considering that the fertility is getting lower and lower in France, I think this is a very dangerous strategy for the long-term stability of public expanses. We are in a democracy, and we didn't get any choice in how covid was handled. In France the mean age is 42 years old, the median age is 41 years old [1]. The mean age in the Assemblée Nationale is 51 years old [2]. It's also the mean age of the current governement [3]. The mean age of mayors is 58 years old [4]. All of that makes me think that there might be a bias to protect older people, and that some of the decision taken came from that. [1]: https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/2381476 https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/2381476 [2]: https://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/dyn/vos-deputes https://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/dyn/vos-deputes [3]: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gouvernement_Jean_Castex https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gouvernement_Jean_Castex [4]: https://www.amf.asso.fr/documents-la-carte-didentite-maires-2020/40307 https://www.amf.asso.fr/documents-la-carte-didentite-maires-...
  - lazyasciiart 5y ago
    The average doctor in France is over 50 years old too. And all those ages use the same hospital beds.