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Reduced death rate doesn’t change the fact hospitals are overloaded and you might not be able to get treatment for other emergencies. > stay home > don’t tell

Reduced death rate doesn’t change the fact hospitals are overloaded and you might not be able to get treatment for other emergencies. > stay home > don’t tell me how to live my life I hope you see the irony there. If only it was that simple. You want to be out and about, unvaccinated, putting other people at risk, while the ones who took the vaccine and are trying to stay safe stay home? Yeah right. If you want to live a “free” life you can go setup shop in an island somewhere away from civilization. Total freedom to do whatever you want.

uquercia 5y ago
I got three vaccine jabs and I am totally pro vax. But the unfortunately the majority of scientific data shows that fully vaccinated people still can spread Delta variant, because neither of the current vaccines has been tailored for Delta. For omicron this is probably even worse, since it is even more contagious. So I do not see how the narrative of COVID being spread by unvaccinated is true in the end of 2021.
- ricardobeat 5y ago
  You speak in absolutes, but it’s not like vaccines suddenly stopped working for Delta or Omicron variants: > effectiveness against infection with the delta variant declined from 94.1% (90.5% to 96.3%) 14-60 days after vaccination to 80.0% (70.2% to 86.6%) 151-180 days after vaccination 80-90% is still infinitely better than zero. The “narrative” of infection being spread by the unvaccinated (also usually non-mask-wearers which doesn’t help) is obviously true, as logic would suggest, and hospitalization numbers everywhere confirm. Most recent data suggest slightly lower protection for Omicron, around 70%. Not to mention, again, that hospitalization is still reduced by 95%+ even if infected which makes a huge difference for healthcare systems. [1] https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068848 https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068848

uquercia 5y ago

I got three vaccine jabs and I am totally pro vax. But the unfortunately the majority of scientific data shows that fully vaccinated people still can spread Delta variant, because neither of the current vaccines has been tailored for Delta. For omicron this is probably even worse, since it is even more contagious. So I do not see how the narrative of COVID being spread by unvaccinated is true in the end of 2021.

ricardobeat 5y ago
You speak in absolutes, but it’s not like vaccines suddenly stopped working for Delta or Omicron variants: > effectiveness against infection with the delta variant declined from 94.1% (90.5% to 96.3%) 14-60 days after vaccination to 80.0% (70.2% to 86.6%) 151-180 days after vaccination 80-90% is still infinitely better than zero. The “narrative” of infection being spread by the unvaccinated (also usually non-mask-wearers which doesn’t help) is obviously true, as logic would suggest, and hospitalization numbers everywhere confirm. Most recent data suggest slightly lower protection for Omicron, around 70%. Not to mention, again, that hospitalization is still reduced by 95%+ even if infected which makes a huge difference for healthcare systems. [1] https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068848 https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068848