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A poll cannot establish if Ukranians will raise to arms, especially since I cannot imagine Russia to be interested in the entire Ukraine (or at the very least,

A poll cannot establish if Ukranians will raise to arms, especially since I cannot imagine Russia to be interested in the entire Ukraine (or at the very least, cannot justify it even to its own population). It's so much different really going to war and talking of going to war.

ThePowerOfFuet 5y ago
>the entire Ukraine The definite article 'the' is considered derogatory when used with Ukraine [0]. [0]: http://www.infoukes.com/faq/the_ukraine/ http://www.infoukes.com/faq/the_ukraine/
- necovek 5y ago
  FWIW, I used "the" with "entire": while I am not a native English speaker nor intimately familiar with the grammar, "in entire <whatever-country>" without the definite article sounds out of place to me. You can see that I did not use "the" when referring only to Ukraine in a sibling comment.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    In English, a more idiomatic way of expressing what you seem to intend with “the entire Ukraine” would be “the entirety of Ukraine” or “the whole of Ukraine”; what you actually wrote is applying a modifier (which happens to go between the article and the noun) to “the Ukraine”, and is out of place exactly to the extent that “the Ukraine” without the modifier is.
    - necovek 5y ago
      Thanks for the explanation! I'll try to keep an eye out for this nuance! It still sounds weird to just say "entire Ukraine" so I wonder if that would carry the same meaning as "the entirety of Ukraine"?
rolph 5y ago
you dont always need arms to enact resistance. -as in an environment can be made very hostile to interact with, no arms required as for the poll it looks like western ukraine would be the most hostile.
- necovek 5y ago
  Sure, which is also part of Ukraine Russia would be least interested in. As with most polls[1], very uninformative: if the question was if you would go to war/protests in Eastern Ukraine, I doubt we'd see so many people willing to go that far (other than saying, "I would, but... life, job, family..."). I mean, it's already obvious from the actual situation on the ground in-not-really-Russian-we-promise-occupied part of Ukraine. [1] most are designed with questions to drive an agenda, not with polls being a bad methodology to gather particular learnings from a sample of the population

ThePowerOfFuet 5y ago

>the entire Ukraine The definite article 'the' is considered derogatory when used with Ukraine [0]. [0]: http://www.infoukes.com/faq/the_ukraine/ http://www.infoukes.com/faq/the_ukraine/

necovek 5y ago
FWIW, I used "the" with "entire": while I am not a native English speaker nor intimately familiar with the grammar, "in entire <whatever-country>" without the definite article sounds out of place to me. You can see that I did not use "the" when referring only to Ukraine in a sibling comment.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  In English, a more idiomatic way of expressing what you seem to intend with “the entire Ukraine” would be “the entirety of Ukraine” or “the whole of Ukraine”; what you actually wrote is applying a modifier (which happens to go between the article and the noun) to “the Ukraine”, and is out of place exactly to the extent that “the Ukraine” without the modifier is.
  - necovek 5y ago
    Thanks for the explanation! I'll try to keep an eye out for this nuance! It still sounds weird to just say "entire Ukraine" so I wonder if that would carry the same meaning as "the entirety of Ukraine"?

rolph 5y ago

you dont always need arms to enact resistance. -as in an environment can be made very hostile to interact with, no arms required as for the poll it looks like western ukraine would be the most hostile.

necovek 5y ago
Sure, which is also part of Ukraine Russia would be least interested in. As with most polls[1], very uninformative: if the question was if you would go to war/protests in Eastern Ukraine, I doubt we'd see so many people willing to go that far (other than saying, "I would, but... life, job, family..."). I mean, it's already obvious from the actual situation on the ground in-not-really-Russian-we-promise-occupied part of Ukraine. [1] most are designed with questions to drive an agenda, not with polls being a bad methodology to gather particular learnings from a sample of the population