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China can get away with their diplomatic isolation of Taiwan due to the large economic power imbalance between the two. We never saw this with North /South Kor

China can get away with their diplomatic isolation of Taiwan due to the large economic power imbalance between the two. We never saw this with North /South Korea, nor West/East Germany. Countries recognized both as sovereign. There was no "Korean Seoul" or "German Bonn" competing at the Olympics, etc. If anything, West Germany or South Korea could've done what China is doing now but they chose not to.

luckylion 5y ago
> There was no "Korean Seoul" or "German Bonn" competing at the Olympics, etc. Are you aware that both China and Taiwan claim to be the legal government of both countries? Because that's completely different from Germany or Korea, where the states recognized each other.
- dustintrex 5y ago
  For what it's worth, I don't believe West Germany ever formally recognized East Germany. The closest was allowing a state visit from Honecker in 1987.
  - luckylion 5y ago
    They signed an agreement in the early 70ies ("Grundlagenvertrag") outlining their relationships and had mutual defacto-embassies ("Ständige Vertretung") and called the heads of those ambassadors (at least the GDR did, I believe the FRG did not, but they were ambassadors for all intents and purposes).
    - dustintrex 5y ago
      That does not sound hugely different from China and Taiwan, which, despite the bluster, also de facto recognize each other in all sorts of ways like having quasi-diplomatic representatives, issuing travel documents to each other's citizens, etc.
      - luckylion 5y ago
        Having embassies, recognizing the other side's sovereignty and not considering them a rebellious province of your own state sounds very different from the China/Taiwan situation to me. Germany's two halves treated each other as neighbors and did not consider the other side an opponent in a war that's temporarily paused (after the initial conflict, but that was mostly the Soviets trying to take Berlin by starving the population). In case you're wondering: the Berlin Wall does not suggest differently, it was meant to stop people from fleeing the socialist East Germany ("Republikflucht", literally flight from the republic, was a crime in the GDR, and they killed quite a few that sought freedom from the "worker's paradise"), it was never meant to keep invaders out.
- United857 5y ago
  The two Koreas also claim to be the government of the entire Korean Peninsula as well. Both countries have their "Reunification Ministry" There have been meetings between the two sides, but that's a far cry from diplomatic recognition.
  - powerapple 5y ago
    Taiwan officially withdrew from UN so that there won't be two China. Of course, it happened when Taiwan was militarily more advanced than China.

luckylion 5y ago

> There was no "Korean Seoul" or "German Bonn" competing at the Olympics, etc. Are you aware that both China and Taiwan claim to be the legal government of both countries? Because that's completely different from Germany or Korea, where the states recognized each other.

dustintrex 5y ago
For what it's worth, I don't believe West Germany ever formally recognized East Germany. The closest was allowing a state visit from Honecker in 1987.
- luckylion 5y ago
  They signed an agreement in the early 70ies ("Grundlagenvertrag") outlining their relationships and had mutual defacto-embassies ("Ständige Vertretung") and called the heads of those ambassadors (at least the GDR did, I believe the FRG did not, but they were ambassadors for all intents and purposes).
  - dustintrex 5y ago
    That does not sound hugely different from China and Taiwan, which, despite the bluster, also de facto recognize each other in all sorts of ways like having quasi-diplomatic representatives, issuing travel documents to each other's citizens, etc.
    - luckylion 5y ago
      Having embassies, recognizing the other side's sovereignty and not considering them a rebellious province of your own state sounds very different from the China/Taiwan situation to me. Germany's two halves treated each other as neighbors and did not consider the other side an opponent in a war that's temporarily paused (after the initial conflict, but that was mostly the Soviets trying to take Berlin by starving the population). In case you're wondering: the Berlin Wall does not suggest differently, it was meant to stop people from fleeing the socialist East Germany ("Republikflucht", literally flight from the republic, was a crime in the GDR, and they killed quite a few that sought freedom from the "worker's paradise"), it was never meant to keep invaders out.
United857 5y ago
The two Koreas also claim to be the government of the entire Korean Peninsula as well. Both countries have their "Reunification Ministry" There have been meetings between the two sides, but that's a far cry from diplomatic recognition.
- powerapple 5y ago
  Taiwan officially withdrew from UN so that there won't be two China. Of course, it happened when Taiwan was militarily more advanced than China.