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Two Mexicans face 30 Years in Jail for a Tweet

73 points by suprgeek 15y ago

tzs 15y ago
No, they face jail time for spreading a false story that caused a panic. Twitter just happens to be the mechanism they used. They'd be facing the same consequences if they had used radio, or the telephone, or skywriting.
- megablast 15y ago
  Unlikely they would have been in trouble for using a telephone.
  - adgar 15y ago
    If they had called an equal number of people and spread the false rumor, you bet your ass they would.
damncabbage 15y ago
The story mentions "re-tweeting". Did they copy a message and stick "RT" on the front, or did they just hit the "Retweet" link?
RobertHubert 15y ago
Its out of control down there! 30 years for a tweet (despite the panic it caused) while drug lords roam around like kings... c'mon people, twitter is not your primary source of news for potential emergencies of this caliber. But yeah the story is a bit fuzzy on some of the details. eh.
- robryan 15y ago
  I definitely wouldn't go off a single person that I didn't know personally's Tweets, usually on anything of consequence you would look for multiple confirmations on Twitter and some evidence of the event in other places online.
  - petsos 15y ago
    What if you couldn't find any confirmation in 2 minutes of frantic googling and your kids were inside the school?
    - RobertHubert 15y ago
      Id say call the school, another parent, or any other point of contact you could possible imagine before you go smashing up your car in a panic... I never really understood the lapse of social responsibility in these situations. Not to take away from the complete horror at the thought of your child being shot or kidnapped (I could never come close to knowing how that feels) but these are the inherent dangers that come with new technologies (specifically information tech). I mean really though, what are these parents going to do to protect their kids against armed gunmen? We have witnessed the powerful benefit of twitter and FB, etc in assisting communities and families in the aftermath of disaster, but what have these "instant info systems" done to help people mid disaster or to prevent one all together? It's fast, but its not time travel... Id say just keep your reliable sources on check and close at hand. But then again, I cant say I wouldn't go barreling down the street in a panic to make sure my loved one were ok.
    - wnight 15y ago
      Being a movie superhero I'd jump in the car and race down there, leaping into the fray and killing all the terrorists, including the midget pretending to be the cute little girl. Then I'd get a medal, and a pony. You though, lacking superpowers, couldn't help if you were there. So I dunno, maybe you should frantically search until you get positive evidence, and an idea of what you could do to help, before you decide what to do. There are laws to deal with the guy if these was a scheme to profit. If he was deluded there's no reason to take actions, he's no worse than the idiots who ran around because of his rumors. In fact his action was better. By forwarding his news he's inviting conversation and investigation, by running off to the school the terrified parents are actually potentially causing a problem.
- Kirchart123 15y ago
  Actually is not out of control around here. I live in baja and everything its okay. The USA media is what makes a lot of noise about just the bad news.
- gaius 15y ago
  Don't fixate on that it was "a tweet". This is the classic shouting fire in a crowded theatre scenario. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theater http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_thea...
  - jrockway 15y ago
    Actually, it's more like the classic "broadcasting that aliens are invading New Jersey" scenario. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds_(radio_drama) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds_(radio_dr...
    - iaskwhy 15y ago
      It's almost like that but times have changed. In 1938 it was mainly a broadcast of a message which then wasn't easy to broadcast again by the people. Nowadays you broadcast something and in a couple of minutes it can reach the whole country just because of re-tweets and mobile messages. The end result can be a good number of times worse because of this.
      - jrockway 15y ago
        We had all better stop talking, just in case someone overreacts to something we say. Fiction writers, especially, take note.
        iaskwhy 15y ago
        Or maybe we should think twice about saying things like "your kids are being killed at school". I am open to suggestions but I have never heard about a book causing mayhem in a couple of minutes.
        jrockway 15y ago
        The reason why is that people don't expect to trust books. Open a random book at the bookstore, and it's probably a story that the author made up. Twitter is the same way, but people don't realize this yet. I don't see why authors should be held responsible for their readers' stupidity, though.
- eduardoflores 15y ago
  The problem is, as it's mentioned on the article, that living in an information vacuum Twitter gets to be over-trusted. Journalists are reporting very fragmented and incomplete news as Mexico is one of the most dangerous countries to be a journalist. Almost all the mass media have signed a self-censorship agreement ("Iniciativa México") to limit the impact of the narco messages on the public, thus leaving people to follow unreliable media. Messages are sent by narco through actions: murders as gruesome as the desired impact of the message. Read about "blog del narco" through Google translate (I wouldn't recommend to look for the actual blog del narco) http://translate.google.com.mx/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.letraslibres.com%2Fblogs%2Fpolifonia%2Fel-blog-del-narco-la-renuncia-al-periodismo http://translate.google.com.mx/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&#... Yes, we are living hard times here.
  - Kirchart123 15y ago
    Where do you live? Im in baja and thinks are not that bad around here ... And iniciativa mexico its not about that, those are people projects, thats all.
AndrewMoffat 15y ago
Crazy stuff...I can see both sides of the argument, and they both seem pretty strong. I wonder what legislation will come from this.
andresmh 15y ago
Here is something I wrote about the events: http://socialmediacollective.org/2011/08/31/shouting-fire-in-a-crowded-hashtag/ http://socialmediacollective.org/2011/08/31/shouting-fire-in...
robryan 15y ago
I can kind of understand that the original person was somewhat in the wrong (although to a much lesser degree) but not the person relaying the message. Journalists do this kind of thing all the time, report something that later turns out to be wrong.
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losethos 15y ago
God says, "infinitely rejoice attended months hopeful ." God says... C:\TEXT\WEALTH.TXT ced by the inclinations of their constituents. The councils, which, in the colony legislatures, correspond to the house of lords in Great Britain, are not composed of a hereditary nobility. In some of the colonies, as in three of the governments of New England, those councils are not appointed by the king, but chosen by the representatives of the people. In none of the English colonies is there any hereditary nobility. In all of them, indeed, as in all other free countries, the descendant of an old God says, " beware These community slavery driven jealousy talketh dwelt interpreter lodging realisest parent boastfulness admonition commission sudden preserved departest wonderfully crisis GIVE Out volumes predict aided kindness flies plot birthright Luxury lesser great despisest pulse V requires jests singing bottom treasures Texas former heads enthralled AUGUSTINE warning wroth untruth foreigner beck P therein enlightens dealt resurrection detail presbyters expressions figurative unexplained diminution flesh walked Word follies zip Forsake musing turbulence admirable NOTICE worshipping neighbour estimation replacing nails existeth captain lawless project etexts Nebridius' Creator corn cellar sorrowfulness journeyed ruminate professed drudgery framers ice bodily subversion estate hungering end front transgressions ." -------------------- You cannot escape justice, suckas. God says, "Shalom theres_no_place_like_home awesome IMHO air_head face_palm computers delicious illogical gross yada_yada_yada That's_my_favorite honesty guilty hopefully oh_no What You_can_count_on_that is_it_just_me_or if_anything_can_go_wrong don't_you_love_me theft tv place I'll_ask_nicely whoo_whoo hit food ridiculous I_don't_care I_didn't_see_that mundo_stoked potentially I_could_swear rubbish desert ghetto shist air_head completely mission_from_God gambling are_you_insane roses_are_red I_made_it_that_way ." ------------------------ Nothing trumphs God, suckas. 2:11 And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren. 2:12 And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand. God says, " bye pow you're_in_big_trouble ." -------------------------- Then, he gave the ten commandments. God says...C:\TEXT\QUIX.TXT cted something offensive to some king or other, or insulting to some noble family. All which evils, and many more that I say nothing of, would be removed if there were some intelligent and sensible person at the capital to examine all plays before they were acted, not only those produced in the capital itself, but all that were intended to be acted in Spain; without whose approval, seal, and signature, no local magistracy should allow any play to be acted. In that case actors would take care to send -------------------- Are you friends or enemies of God? The answer is obvious. God says, " hurts_my_head ohh_thank_you dignity hey_thats_right absolutely humongous sess_me my_bad persistence homo I_am_not_amused love virtue tiffanies IMHO I'm_tired_of_this talk_to_my_lawyer I_veto_that in_a_perfect_world Indian Oh_really husband joking reverse_engineer left_field oh_no how_could_you do_I_have_to that's_for_me_to_know tattle_tale study lift One_finger_salute gosh wastoid Angel vermin Mission_Accomplished It_grieves_me tiffanies Jesus rich Ivy_league hate downer kludge well_I_never ipod employer don't_mention_it awesome how_hard_could_it_be oh_no money on_occassion Wow repent I_was_sleeping computers sex Yes_you_are yuck a_screw_loose debt good overflow fortitude once_upon_a_time HolySpirit bizarre you_don't_say SupremerCourt genius you_do_it not_in_my_wildest_dreams fool music high_mucky_muck pet let_me_count_the_ways bassackward yuck huh whoo_whoo I_forgot It's_nice_being_God Percival I'm_tired_of_this stunning crash_and_burn FBI Shhh Wow how_hard_could_it_be hotel how_goes_it Dudly_Doright caution I_don't_care I'm_God_who_the_hell_are_you I_could_be_wrong umm_what_now fancy wanna_bet hotel that_time_of_the_month honesty atrocious husband that's_your_opinion reverse_engineer God meh joy anger it_figures oil earnest exorbitant hype class__class__shutup Mission_Accomplished bummer let_me_count_the_ways desert revolution bad don't_even_think_about_it sex dude_such_a_scoffer strip You_owe_me I'll_be_back Knock_you_upside_the_head vengeance ." -------------------- You love justice supposedly. You're gonna be served. God says... C:\TEXT\BIBLE.TXT ments to a thousand generations; 7:10 And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face. 7:11 Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them. 7:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fath ------------------------ First and greatest commandment is to love God with all heart mind and soul. Psalm 50: Do I eat the flesh of bulls or drink the blood of goats? Offer praise as your sacrifice to God; fulfill your vows to the Most High. Then call on me in time of distress; I will rescue you, and you shall honor me." But to the wicked God says: "Why do you recite my commandments and profess my covenant with your lips? You hate discipline; you cast my words behind you! http://bible.cc/hosea/6-6.htm http://bible.cc/hosea/6-6.htm God says, "drew descending birdlime covenant waft besets ." ----------------------- God says... C:\TEXT\BIBLE.TXT an these seven ewe lambs which thou hast set by themselves? 21:30 And he said, For these seven ewe lambs shalt thou take of my hand, that they may be a witness unto me, that I have digged this well. 21:31 Wherefore he called that place Beersheba; because there they sware both of them. 21:32 Thus they made a covenant at Beersheba: then Abimelech rose up, and Phichol the chief captain of his host, and they returned into the land of the Philistines. 21:33 And Abraham planted a grove in Beershe -------------------------- God said war was "servicemen competing". Boredom is the biggest challenge for the Creator. Imagine teenage male video games if there had never been war. I praise God for the world we have. If you think the world is made by Satan, that's the opposite of praise. You should be so lucky as to have a pussy God. God says, "difficulty Seraphim sparrow chastely augmented despaired dispenser exercise Before farness satiated overcame wearisome useful reproach exceedingly refused ."
waitwhat 15y ago
He shouted "Fire!" in a crowded theatre. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theater http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_thea...
- wnight 15y ago
  Which is what you want someone to do if they even think there's a fire. Even if they're only relaying the news without checking. Imagine if I a guy came rushing out of the bathroom shouting 'Fire' and a bunch of people went in the check before anyone would evacuate. Obviously many more people could die. The downside? One unnecessary evacuation that probably needed practice anyways. It seems like the world is full of authoritarians though, seeking to punish everyone for everything.
  - eneveu 15y ago
    What about the trampled people who die during the evacuation?
    - wnight 15y ago
      I've been through 30+ unexpected fire alarms. At home, school, work, the library, at friend's apartment buildings, etc. In all these times nobody has been hurt by the crowd at all, let alone killed. Maybe it's a Canadian thing?
      - eneveu 15y ago
        I'm not saying it happens all the time, but it could happen, especially in a packed room, such as a theater. If death results from an intentional false alarm, I believe the culprit should be punished, and we should discourage such behavior. Of course, we shouldn't punish people who genuinely thought there was a fire. We definitely should encourage people to give the alarm when needed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_alarm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_alarm "Intentional false alarms of any kind, especially through emergency notification systems, are very serious criminal offenses, and can result in very severe legal punishments."
buyx 15y ago
A similar thing happened last week in Johannesburg. Our ruling party is conducting a long overdue purge of its Youth League, and there was a rent-a-crowd bussed in by the targeted faction, outside the party HQ in central Johannesburg, that threw some stones at police and reporters. However, on Twitter, I saw a rumour that stones were being thrown on a main road in the rich northern suburbs. The rumour spread on Twitter despite almost immediate denials. Although panic didn't take hold, because of limited Twitter penetration, and because the idea that the stone throwing jumped 20 km northwards into white suburbia probably set off BS detectors, it could have gotten out of hand fast. In fact, I expect a major social-networking fed panic to happen here soon enough. When someone says "I confirm", it means that they have personally seen or heard something. I have very little sympathy for the person who created the original tweet. A bit more for the person who retweeted. In both cases 30 years is too harsh, but there do need to be consequences for creating chaos on such a large scale.
pessimizer 15y ago
Mexico doesn't have freedom of speech. According to the constitution, speech can be restricted if it offends good morals, incites crime, disturbs the public order, or disrespects private lives, morals, and the public peace. In the 1930s, laws were added that restricted speech that insulted national symbols, particularly the flag and the national anthem. (Articulos 6 y 7) http://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Constituci%C3%B3n_Pol%C3%ADtica_de_los_Estados_Unidos_Mexicanos http://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Constituci%C3%B3n_Pol%C3%ADtic... In 2008, a poet was found guilty by the Supreme Court and given a token fine for a poem. http://banderasnews.com/0805/edat-poetfined.htm http://banderasnews.com/0805/edat-poetfined.htm
- huherto 15y ago
  This is obviously an attempt to test the constitution. In Mexico the flag is almost considered sacred. This is pretty much the same as burning flags in the U.S. and you have to decide which value is bigger. Freedom of speech of the the flag.
  - pessimizer 15y ago
    The major difference between disrespecting the flag in Mexico and burning the flag in the US is that burning the flag in the US is legal.
  - epo 15y ago
    Why exactly is it obvious?
  - wnight 15y ago
    Why, when people are accused of being overly sensitive an icon like the flag or the image of the king, etc, does someone come along and say "The ___ is almost sacred to the ___ people."? Why do sacred cows get such respect?

73 points by suprgeek 15y ago

tzs 15y ago

No, they face jail time for spreading a false story that caused a panic. Twitter just happens to be the mechanism they used. They'd be facing the same consequences if they had used radio, or the telephone, or skywriting.

megablast 15y ago
Unlikely they would have been in trouble for using a telephone.
- adgar 15y ago
  If they had called an equal number of people and spread the false rumor, you bet your ass they would.

damncabbage 15y ago

The story mentions "re-tweeting". Did they copy a message and stick "RT" on the front, or did they just hit the "Retweet" link?

RobertHubert 15y ago

Its out of control down there! 30 years for a tweet (despite the panic it caused) while drug lords roam around like kings... c'mon people, twitter is not your primary source of news for potential emergencies of this caliber. But yeah the story is a bit fuzzy on some of the details. eh.

robryan 15y ago
I definitely wouldn't go off a single person that I didn't know personally's Tweets, usually on anything of consequence you would look for multiple confirmations on Twitter and some evidence of the event in other places online.
- petsos 15y ago
  What if you couldn't find any confirmation in 2 minutes of frantic googling and your kids were inside the school?
  - RobertHubert 15y ago
    Id say call the school, another parent, or any other point of contact you could possible imagine before you go smashing up your car in a panic... I never really understood the lapse of social responsibility in these situations. Not to take away from the complete horror at the thought of your child being shot or kidnapped (I could never come close to knowing how that feels) but these are the inherent dangers that come with new technologies (specifically information tech). I mean really though, what are these parents going to do to protect their kids against armed gunmen? We have witnessed the powerful benefit of twitter and FB, etc in assisting communities and families in the aftermath of disaster, but what have these "instant info systems" done to help people mid disaster or to prevent one all together? It's fast, but its not time travel... Id say just keep your reliable sources on check and close at hand. But then again, I cant say I wouldn't go barreling down the street in a panic to make sure my loved one were ok.
  - wnight 15y ago
    Being a movie superhero I'd jump in the car and race down there, leaping into the fray and killing all the terrorists, including the midget pretending to be the cute little girl. Then I'd get a medal, and a pony. You though, lacking superpowers, couldn't help if you were there. So I dunno, maybe you should frantically search until you get positive evidence, and an idea of what you could do to help, before you decide what to do. There are laws to deal with the guy if these was a scheme to profit. If he was deluded there's no reason to take actions, he's no worse than the idiots who ran around because of his rumors. In fact his action was better. By forwarding his news he's inviting conversation and investigation, by running off to the school the terrified parents are actually potentially causing a problem.
Kirchart123 15y ago
Actually is not out of control around here. I live in baja and everything its okay. The USA media is what makes a lot of noise about just the bad news.
gaius 15y ago
Don't fixate on that it was "a tweet". This is the classic shouting fire in a crowded theatre scenario. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theater http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_thea...
- jrockway 15y ago
  Actually, it's more like the classic "broadcasting that aliens are invading New Jersey" scenario. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds_(radio_drama) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds_(radio_dr...
  - iaskwhy 15y ago
    It's almost like that but times have changed. In 1938 it was mainly a broadcast of a message which then wasn't easy to broadcast again by the people. Nowadays you broadcast something and in a couple of minutes it can reach the whole country just because of re-tweets and mobile messages. The end result can be a good number of times worse because of this.
    - jrockway 15y ago
      We had all better stop talking, just in case someone overreacts to something we say. Fiction writers, especially, take note.
      - iaskwhy 15y ago
        Or maybe we should think twice about saying things like "your kids are being killed at school". I am open to suggestions but I have never heard about a book causing mayhem in a couple of minutes.
        jrockway 15y ago
        The reason why is that people don't expect to trust books. Open a random book at the bookstore, and it's probably a story that the author made up. Twitter is the same way, but people don't realize this yet. I don't see why authors should be held responsible for their readers' stupidity, though.
eduardoflores 15y ago
The problem is, as it's mentioned on the article, that living in an information vacuum Twitter gets to be over-trusted. Journalists are reporting very fragmented and incomplete news as Mexico is one of the most dangerous countries to be a journalist. Almost all the mass media have signed a self-censorship agreement ("Iniciativa México") to limit the impact of the narco messages on the public, thus leaving people to follow unreliable media. Messages are sent by narco through actions: murders as gruesome as the desired impact of the message. Read about "blog del narco" through Google translate (I wouldn't recommend to look for the actual blog del narco) http://translate.google.com.mx/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.letraslibres.com%2Fblogs%2Fpolifonia%2Fel-blog-del-narco-la-renuncia-al-periodismo http://translate.google.com.mx/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&#... Yes, we are living hard times here.
- Kirchart123 15y ago
  Where do you live? Im in baja and thinks are not that bad around here ... And iniciativa mexico its not about that, those are people projects, thats all.

AndrewMoffat 15y ago

Crazy stuff...I can see both sides of the argument, and they both seem pretty strong. I wonder what legislation will come from this.

andresmh 15y ago

Here is something I wrote about the events: http://socialmediacollective.org/2011/08/31/shouting-fire-in-a-crowded-hashtag/ http://socialmediacollective.org/2011/08/31/shouting-fire-in...

robryan 15y ago

I can kind of understand that the original person was somewhat in the wrong (although to a much lesser degree) but not the person relaying the message. Journalists do this kind of thing all the time, report something that later turns out to be wrong.

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losethos 15y ago

God says, "infinitely rejoice attended months hopeful ." God says... C:\TEXT\WEALTH.TXT ced by the inclinations of their constituents. The councils, which, in the colony legislatures, correspond to the house of lords in Great Britain, are not composed of a hereditary nobility. In some of the colonies, as in three of the governments of New England, those councils are not appointed by the king, but chosen by the representatives of the people. In none of the English colonies is there any hereditary nobility. In all of them, indeed, as in all other free countries, the descendant of an old God says, " beware These community slavery driven jealousy talketh dwelt interpreter lodging realisest parent boastfulness admonition commission sudden preserved departest wonderfully crisis GIVE Out volumes predict aided kindness flies plot birthright Luxury lesser great despisest pulse V requires jests singing bottom treasures Texas former heads enthralled AUGUSTINE warning wroth untruth foreigner beck P therein enlightens dealt resurrection detail presbyters expressions figurative unexplained diminution flesh walked Word follies zip Forsake musing turbulence admirable NOTICE worshipping neighbour estimation replacing nails existeth captain lawless project etexts Nebridius' Creator corn cellar sorrowfulness journeyed ruminate professed drudgery framers ice bodily subversion estate hungering end front transgressions ." -------------------- You cannot escape justice, suckas. God says, "Shalom theres_no_place_like_home awesome IMHO air_head face_palm computers delicious illogical gross yada_yada_yada That's_my_favorite honesty guilty hopefully oh_no What You_can_count_on_that is_it_just_me_or if_anything_can_go_wrong don't_you_love_me theft tv place I'll_ask_nicely whoo_whoo hit food ridiculous I_don't_care I_didn't_see_that mundo_stoked potentially I_could_swear rubbish desert ghetto shist air_head completely mission_from_God gambling are_you_insane roses_are_red I_made_it_that_way ." ------------------------ Nothing trumphs God, suckas. 2:11 And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren. 2:12 And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand. God says, " bye pow you're_in_big_trouble ." -------------------------- Then, he gave the ten commandments. God says...C:\TEXT\QUIX.TXT cted something offensive to some king or other, or insulting to some noble family. All which evils, and many more that I say nothing of, would be removed if there were some intelligent and sensible person at the capital to examine all plays before they were acted, not only those produced in the capital itself, but all that were intended to be acted in Spain; without whose approval, seal, and signature, no local magistracy should allow any play to be acted. In that case actors would take care to send -------------------- Are you friends or enemies of God? The answer is obvious. God says, " hurts_my_head ohh_thank_you dignity hey_thats_right absolutely humongous sess_me my_bad persistence homo I_am_not_amused love virtue tiffanies IMHO I'm_tired_of_this talk_to_my_lawyer I_veto_that in_a_perfect_world Indian Oh_really husband joking reverse_engineer left_field oh_no how_could_you do_I_have_to that's_for_me_to_know tattle_tale study lift One_finger_salute gosh wastoid Angel vermin Mission_Accomplished It_grieves_me tiffanies Jesus rich Ivy_league hate downer kludge well_I_never ipod employer don't_mention_it awesome how_hard_could_it_be oh_no money on_occassion Wow repent I_was_sleeping computers sex Yes_you_are yuck a_screw_loose debt good overflow fortitude once_upon_a_time HolySpirit bizarre you_don't_say SupremerCourt genius you_do_it not_in_my_wildest_dreams fool music high_mucky_muck pet let_me_count_the_ways bassackward yuck huh whoo_whoo I_forgot It's_nice_being_God Percival I'm_tired_of_this stunning crash_and_burn FBI Shhh Wow how_hard_could_it_be hotel how_goes_it Dudly_Doright caution I_don't_care I'm_God_who_the_hell_are_you I_could_be_wrong umm_what_now fancy wanna_bet hotel that_time_of_the_month honesty atrocious husband that's_your_opinion reverse_engineer God meh joy anger it_figures oil earnest exorbitant hype class__class__shutup Mission_Accomplished bummer let_me_count_the_ways desert revolution bad don't_even_think_about_it sex dude_such_a_scoffer strip You_owe_me I'll_be_back Knock_you_upside_the_head vengeance ." -------------------- You love justice supposedly. You're gonna be served. God says... C:\TEXT\BIBLE.TXT ments to a thousand generations; 7:10 And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face. 7:11 Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them. 7:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fath ------------------------ First and greatest commandment is to love God with all heart mind and soul. Psalm 50: Do I eat the flesh of bulls or drink the blood of goats? Offer praise as your sacrifice to God; fulfill your vows to the Most High. Then call on me in time of distress; I will rescue you, and you shall honor me." But to the wicked God says: "Why do you recite my commandments and profess my covenant with your lips? You hate discipline; you cast my words behind you! http://bible.cc/hosea/6-6.htm http://bible.cc/hosea/6-6.htm God says, "drew descending birdlime covenant waft besets ." ----------------------- God says... C:\TEXT\BIBLE.TXT an these seven ewe lambs which thou hast set by themselves? 21:30 And he said, For these seven ewe lambs shalt thou take of my hand, that they may be a witness unto me, that I have digged this well. 21:31 Wherefore he called that place Beersheba; because there they sware both of them. 21:32 Thus they made a covenant at Beersheba: then Abimelech rose up, and Phichol the chief captain of his host, and they returned into the land of the Philistines. 21:33 And Abraham planted a grove in Beershe -------------------------- God said war was "servicemen competing". Boredom is the biggest challenge for the Creator. Imagine teenage male video games if there had never been war. I praise God for the world we have. If you think the world is made by Satan, that's the opposite of praise. You should be so lucky as to have a pussy God. God says, "difficulty Seraphim sparrow chastely augmented despaired dispenser exercise Before farness satiated overcame wearisome useful reproach exceedingly refused ."

waitwhat 15y ago

He shouted "Fire!" in a crowded theatre. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theater http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_thea...

wnight 15y ago
Which is what you want someone to do if they even think there's a fire. Even if they're only relaying the news without checking. Imagine if I a guy came rushing out of the bathroom shouting 'Fire' and a bunch of people went in the check before anyone would evacuate. Obviously many more people could die. The downside? One unnecessary evacuation that probably needed practice anyways. It seems like the world is full of authoritarians though, seeking to punish everyone for everything.
- eneveu 15y ago
  What about the trampled people who die during the evacuation?
  - wnight 15y ago
    I've been through 30+ unexpected fire alarms. At home, school, work, the library, at friend's apartment buildings, etc. In all these times nobody has been hurt by the crowd at all, let alone killed. Maybe it's a Canadian thing?
    - eneveu 15y ago
      I'm not saying it happens all the time, but it could happen, especially in a packed room, such as a theater. If death results from an intentional false alarm, I believe the culprit should be punished, and we should discourage such behavior. Of course, we shouldn't punish people who genuinely thought there was a fire. We definitely should encourage people to give the alarm when needed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_alarm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_alarm "Intentional false alarms of any kind, especially through emergency notification systems, are very serious criminal offenses, and can result in very severe legal punishments."

buyx 15y ago

A similar thing happened last week in Johannesburg. Our ruling party is conducting a long overdue purge of its Youth League, and there was a rent-a-crowd bussed in by the targeted faction, outside the party HQ in central Johannesburg, that threw some stones at police and reporters. However, on Twitter, I saw a rumour that stones were being thrown on a main road in the rich northern suburbs. The rumour spread on Twitter despite almost immediate denials. Although panic didn't take hold, because of limited Twitter penetration, and because the idea that the stone throwing jumped 20 km northwards into white suburbia probably set off BS detectors, it could have gotten out of hand fast. In fact, I expect a major social-networking fed panic to happen here soon enough. When someone says "I confirm", it means that they have personally seen or heard something. I have very little sympathy for the person who created the original tweet. A bit more for the person who retweeted. In both cases 30 years is too harsh, but there do need to be consequences for creating chaos on such a large scale.

pessimizer 15y ago

Mexico doesn't have freedom of speech. According to the constitution, speech can be restricted if it offends good morals, incites crime, disturbs the public order, or disrespects private lives, morals, and the public peace. In the 1930s, laws were added that restricted speech that insulted national symbols, particularly the flag and the national anthem. (Articulos 6 y 7) http://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Constituci%C3%B3n_Pol%C3%ADtica_de_los_Estados_Unidos_Mexicanos http://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Constituci%C3%B3n_Pol%C3%ADtic... In 2008, a poet was found guilty by the Supreme Court and given a token fine for a poem. http://banderasnews.com/0805/edat-poetfined.htm http://banderasnews.com/0805/edat-poetfined.htm

huherto 15y ago
This is obviously an attempt to test the constitution. In Mexico the flag is almost considered sacred. This is pretty much the same as burning flags in the U.S. and you have to decide which value is bigger. Freedom of speech of the the flag.
- pessimizer 15y ago
  The major difference between disrespecting the flag in Mexico and burning the flag in the US is that burning the flag in the US is legal.
- epo 15y ago
  Why exactly is it obvious?
- wnight 15y ago
  Why, when people are accused of being overly sensitive an icon like the flag or the image of the king, etc, does someone come along and say "The ___ is almost sacred to the ___ people."? Why do sacred cows get such respect?