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This is caused by staffing shortages. Our hospitals thought it was a good idea to fire nurses and staff over the summer.

andrekandre 5y ago
why did they get fired?
- otabdeveloper4 5y ago
  It's a secret we will never know the answer to. Maybe historians from the far future will find some clues.
- mberning 5y ago
  Some got fired. Some quit and found different, better paying jobs. The reality is that being on staff, working at the bedside in a hospital is a hard job with mediocre pay. But hospitals will give docs huge bonuses and pay travel nurses 2-3x what they pay nurses already on payroll. My wife was an RN at a major pediatric hospital and took a job at a private practice. Much easier job, closer to home, better pay. The hospital called her a month after she left and offered a 5k rehire bonus. Thank you, but no.
- crisdux 5y ago
  They would not take the covid vaccine. These vaccine mandates have consequences.
  - xwdv 5y ago
    Nurses and doctors already get pumped full of vaccines as part of their job requirement, so what makes this particular vaccine so special?
    - crisdux 5y ago
      It has a more dangerous risk profile than the previously accepted vaccines. Our medical system should be guided by informed consent not coercion.
      - rsfern 5y ago
        > It has a more dangerous risk profile than the previously accepted vaccines Is there compelling research that shows this is actually true? There is elevated risk of heart inflammation, but in my understanding that is not an unprecedented vaccine side effect. I haven’t seen an in depth comparison to established vaccines though As for neurological side effects, I just read this a morning this large study from uk comparing risks between the conventional platform ChadOx, the BioNTech mRNA platform, and actual coronavirus infection. The two vaccine platforms seen at least on par with each other, and both favorable to infection https://doi.org/10.1038/s41591-021-01556-7 https://doi.org/10.1038/s41591-021-01556-7
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
    - meepmorp 5y ago
      This one came with political side effects.
  - derkha 5y ago
    Insignificant consequences. https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/hospitals/how-many-employees-have-hospitals-lost-to-vaccine-mandates-numbers-so-far https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/hospitals/how-many-employee...
    - brutusborn 5y ago
      Scanning for 20 seconds showed some of those numbers are 5% of the workforce, that's not insignificant.
  - EvanAnderson 5y ago
    I'm near Dayton, Ohio. We had lots of protesting back in August by self-proclaimed medical personnel who were unhappy with vaccine mandates. How many of these people were actually medical personnel, and how many actually quit due to their opposition to the mandate isn't clear, but the feeling I was left with was that a significant number of local medical personnel were unhappy with the mandate.
    - potiuper 5y ago
      Mandates and threats are counter productive. Lotteries are associated with waste and make government seem desperate. If the government was really wanted to encourage vaccinations it would provide a fixed compensation.
- unpolloloco 5y ago
  Probably because procedure volume was down, so they canned people who they could. And then got caught off guard when demand increased again suddenly. Same thing happens over and over in manufacturing.
  - cheschire 5y ago
    I haven't seen many "a truly free market would fix this" comments lately. Seen a whole lot of "we need more regulation" comments though. I wonder if the race to the bottom is inherent in free market or if there's a truly free market solution to this issue with hospital staffing.
    - lotsofpulp 5y ago
      > if there's a truly free market solution to this issue with hospital staffing. You are seeing it happen. People do not accept current labor prices for healthcare work, politicians come under political fire for not providing sufficient level of healthcare, politicians increase funding to healthcare to increase pay, possibly requiring increasing taxes if they cannot figure out how to punt them to future generations. Or insufficient number of voters want to direct more resources to healthcare to those that cannot afford it out of their own pocket, and they get less or lower quality healthcare. Maybe society decides it is not worth the cost of supporting people past 90, or even 80.
      - maxerickson 5y ago
        There's plenty of people willing to work at the offered salaries, there is a structural problem in the licensing process preventing them from doing so.
        lotsofpulp 5y ago
        Where is the structural problem? Total time from high school to nurse can be as low as 16 months, plus however long to get government paperwork. https://bestaccreditedcolleges.org/articles/how-long-does-it-take-to-become-a-registered-nurse.html https://bestaccreditedcolleges.org/articles/how-long-does-it... A case can be made for doctors who have limited residency spots effectively capping new yearly supply, but what possible argument could there be for nurses other than nurse pay is not high enough to attract more people to nursing? People changing bedpans get paid $10 to $15 per hour in many states, who wants to do that unless they have zero other options?

andrekandre 5y ago

why did they get fired?

otabdeveloper4 5y ago
It's a secret we will never know the answer to. Maybe historians from the far future will find some clues.
mberning 5y ago
Some got fired. Some quit and found different, better paying jobs. The reality is that being on staff, working at the bedside in a hospital is a hard job with mediocre pay. But hospitals will give docs huge bonuses and pay travel nurses 2-3x what they pay nurses already on payroll. My wife was an RN at a major pediatric hospital and took a job at a private practice. Much easier job, closer to home, better pay. The hospital called her a month after she left and offered a 5k rehire bonus. Thank you, but no.
crisdux 5y ago
They would not take the covid vaccine. These vaccine mandates have consequences.
- xwdv 5y ago
  Nurses and doctors already get pumped full of vaccines as part of their job requirement, so what makes this particular vaccine so special?
  - crisdux 5y ago
    It has a more dangerous risk profile than the previously accepted vaccines. Our medical system should be guided by informed consent not coercion.
    - rsfern 5y ago
      > It has a more dangerous risk profile than the previously accepted vaccines Is there compelling research that shows this is actually true? There is elevated risk of heart inflammation, but in my understanding that is not an unprecedented vaccine side effect. I haven’t seen an in depth comparison to established vaccines though As for neurological side effects, I just read this a morning this large study from uk comparing risks between the conventional platform ChadOx, the BioNTech mRNA platform, and actual coronavirus infection. The two vaccine platforms seen at least on par with each other, and both favorable to infection https://doi.org/10.1038/s41591-021-01556-7 https://doi.org/10.1038/s41591-021-01556-7
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - meepmorp 5y ago
    This one came with political side effects.
- derkha 5y ago
  Insignificant consequences. https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/hospitals/how-many-employees-have-hospitals-lost-to-vaccine-mandates-numbers-so-far https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/hospitals/how-many-employee...
  - brutusborn 5y ago
    Scanning for 20 seconds showed some of those numbers are 5% of the workforce, that's not insignificant.
- EvanAnderson 5y ago
  I'm near Dayton, Ohio. We had lots of protesting back in August by self-proclaimed medical personnel who were unhappy with vaccine mandates. How many of these people were actually medical personnel, and how many actually quit due to their opposition to the mandate isn't clear, but the feeling I was left with was that a significant number of local medical personnel were unhappy with the mandate.
  - potiuper 5y ago
    Mandates and threats are counter productive. Lotteries are associated with waste and make government seem desperate. If the government was really wanted to encourage vaccinations it would provide a fixed compensation.
unpolloloco 5y ago
Probably because procedure volume was down, so they canned people who they could. And then got caught off guard when demand increased again suddenly. Same thing happens over and over in manufacturing.
- cheschire 5y ago
  I haven't seen many "a truly free market would fix this" comments lately. Seen a whole lot of "we need more regulation" comments though. I wonder if the race to the bottom is inherent in free market or if there's a truly free market solution to this issue with hospital staffing.
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    > if there's a truly free market solution to this issue with hospital staffing. You are seeing it happen. People do not accept current labor prices for healthcare work, politicians come under political fire for not providing sufficient level of healthcare, politicians increase funding to healthcare to increase pay, possibly requiring increasing taxes if they cannot figure out how to punt them to future generations. Or insufficient number of voters want to direct more resources to healthcare to those that cannot afford it out of their own pocket, and they get less or lower quality healthcare. Maybe society decides it is not worth the cost of supporting people past 90, or even 80.
    - maxerickson 5y ago
      There's plenty of people willing to work at the offered salaries, there is a structural problem in the licensing process preventing them from doing so.
      - lotsofpulp 5y ago
        Where is the structural problem? Total time from high school to nurse can be as low as 16 months, plus however long to get government paperwork. https://bestaccreditedcolleges.org/articles/how-long-does-it-take-to-become-a-registered-nurse.html https://bestaccreditedcolleges.org/articles/how-long-does-it... A case can be made for doctors who have limited residency spots effectively capping new yearly supply, but what possible argument could there be for nurses other than nurse pay is not high enough to attract more people to nursing? People changing bedpans get paid $10 to $15 per hour in many states, who wants to do that unless they have zero other options?