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Stress is a strange thing though because short-term stress can be good for us whereas chronic stress generally isn't. Robert Sapolksy has written some interesti

by jvvw 5y ago

Stress is a strange thing though because short-term stress can be good for us whereas chronic stress generally isn't. Robert Sapolksy has written some interesting books on the subject. I certainly don't think one should deliberately inflict stress on one's children, but I suspect experiencing brief mild adversity now and again helps to build resilience. I tend to veer on the side of trying to coach them through problems they encounter rather than using my powers as an adult to remove those problems.

vmception 5y ago
Although I get that for modern developed society, I do think of the structure of a romanticized village like life in the right jungle environments or some very communal islands. With the right ecological stasis, entire generations of people just … live. Replicating that in more developed but adhoc society requires many orders of magnitude more resources, but opens up other pursuits that are beneficial. When I’m around spiritual/hippie people, alot of them act like children, unadjusted for the demands of modern society, and I step back and think “why do I care?”. Mostly because they wont be able to adapt and execute well in other environments. But I can see a medium or balance that can be pursued as well.
- jvvw 5y ago
  Yes - I guess what we do as parents is prepare our children for the society they are going to enter and how to best do that depends on what that society is. Although I suspect other environments have different types of stresses, but perhaps less chronic ones. Many tribal societies have some sort of right of passage for males at adolescence which involves stress of some sort.
- dTal 5y ago
  >When I’m around spiritual/hippie people, alot of them act like children, unadjusted for the demands of modern society, and I step back and think “why do I care?”. One good reason to care is that adult children are an active liability in a functioning society: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/22/leftwingers-far-right-conspiracy-theories-anti-vaxxers-power https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/22/leftwi... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-55957298 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-55957298 https://julesevans.medium.com/make-love-not-vaccines-why-are-new-age-hippies-so-anti-vax-7eef1d4e083d https://julesevans.medium.com/make-love-not-vaccines-why-are... From the last link: "There is some evidence that people who have experienced childhood trauma are more likely to identify as ‘spiritual but not religious’. There’s also some evidence that people who have experienced trauma are likely to turn to spiritual practices and worldviews as a way of coping and recovering. That’s a good thing — but it makes some spiritual people prone to a spiky libertarianism if they feel judged, shamed or told what to do. In a triggered state, they divide people into Us versus Them, Light versus Darkness... Myths are useful sometimes, but if you always see the complexity of modern life through a Lord-of-the-Rings lens, you might not be much help to your culture."
  - vmception 5y ago
    I noticed that too, so many damaged/healing people in those “spiritual” communities, but I was refraining from the conclusion because I had begun to wonder if they were just more comfortable admitting it Between noticing that and noticing that all the universe and energy talk is a proxy to shove Christianity down their throats, I find it strange and wonder if it is deliberate. Like many of the most obvious practioners will begin with being distinct from organized religion, offering a belief systems with no deity and the connectness of nature, but then get their followers with Christianity later. Clever, contrived. Edit: from your third article > “The other religious group that scores high in science-scepticism and anti-vaccine sentiment is white evangelicals.” Okay there it is, thats because its the same people.

by jvvw 5y ago

vmception 5y ago

Although I get that for modern developed society, I do think of the structure of a romanticized village like life in the right jungle environments or some very communal islands. With the right ecological stasis, entire generations of people just … live. Replicating that in more developed but adhoc society requires many orders of magnitude more resources, but opens up other pursuits that are beneficial. When I’m around spiritual/hippie people, alot of them act like children, unadjusted for the demands of modern society, and I step back and think “why do I care?”. Mostly because they wont be able to adapt and execute well in other environments. But I can see a medium or balance that can be pursued as well.

jvvw 5y ago
Yes - I guess what we do as parents is prepare our children for the society they are going to enter and how to best do that depends on what that society is. Although I suspect other environments have different types of stresses, but perhaps less chronic ones. Many tribal societies have some sort of right of passage for males at adolescence which involves stress of some sort.
dTal 5y ago
>When I’m around spiritual/hippie people, alot of them act like children, unadjusted for the demands of modern society, and I step back and think “why do I care?”. One good reason to care is that adult children are an active liability in a functioning society: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/22/leftwingers-far-right-conspiracy-theories-anti-vaxxers-power https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/22/leftwi... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-55957298 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-55957298 https://julesevans.medium.com/make-love-not-vaccines-why-are-new-age-hippies-so-anti-vax-7eef1d4e083d https://julesevans.medium.com/make-love-not-vaccines-why-are... From the last link: "There is some evidence that people who have experienced childhood trauma are more likely to identify as ‘spiritual but not religious’. There’s also some evidence that people who have experienced trauma are likely to turn to spiritual practices and worldviews as a way of coping and recovering. That’s a good thing — but it makes some spiritual people prone to a spiky libertarianism if they feel judged, shamed or told what to do. In a triggered state, they divide people into Us versus Them, Light versus Darkness... Myths are useful sometimes, but if you always see the complexity of modern life through a Lord-of-the-Rings lens, you might not be much help to your culture."
- vmception 5y ago
  I noticed that too, so many damaged/healing people in those “spiritual” communities, but I was refraining from the conclusion because I had begun to wonder if they were just more comfortable admitting it Between noticing that and noticing that all the universe and energy talk is a proxy to shove Christianity down their throats, I find it strange and wonder if it is deliberate. Like many of the most obvious practioners will begin with being distinct from organized religion, offering a belief systems with no deity and the connectness of nature, but then get their followers with Christianity later. Clever, contrived. Edit: from your third article > “The other religious group that scores high in science-scepticism and anti-vaccine sentiment is white evangelicals.” Okay there it is, thats because its the same people.