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In my personal experience, even getting an average web dev to touch a slower Windows machine is mission impossible. The best you can hope is "ewww, this sucks s

by izacus 5y ago

In my personal experience, even getting an average web dev to touch a slower Windows machine is mission impossible. The best you can hope is "ewww, this sucks so much and it's ugly, why would anyone do this" and then arrogant walk back to their 3000$+ MacBook to shovel more JS libraries into the website. I've literally not seen a single rockstart javascripter actually willingly try to test things on Windows, much less attempt to use a low/midrange machine to see if their code works well.

pjmlp 5y ago
Come to Europe, most of those designers will be using Windows machines issued by IT to everyone on the building anyway. And the only Apple gear will be iPhones and iPads used by upper management. Yes, I am also aware there are plenty of cases that aren't like that specially for the fortunate ones living on tier 1 EU countries.
- yokoprime 5y ago
  (Waiting for company issue M1 Pro MBP)
- Yaggo 5y ago
  > Come to Europe, most of those designers will be using Windows machines issued by IT to everyone on the building anyway. That's not my experience at all. I would not make such a generalizations for Europe which includes very different cultures / work environments.
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    Exactly because I expected such replies I wrote the last sentence that you forgot to read.
    - Yaggo 5y ago
      I did read it. You still made an untrue generalisation and in the last sentence tried to narrow it down. Why not just wrote like "I live in <your country> and here..."
      - pjmlp 5y ago
        Because I have lived in several European countries, slowly approaching 50, and actually you also failed to do that. We can also start discussing formal logic regarding how to properly express generalization.
FearlessNebula 5y ago
I mean can you really blame them? I frequently play tech support for many of my family members running Windows 10 without an SSD and it’s like pulling teeth it’s so slow. Running Windows 10 with an SSD and 8+ GB of RAM is a different story and way better experience.
- Spivak 5y ago
  Especially since IT departments see Windows as the “budget” option for worker drones who don’t need much other than a web browser and Office. The other side benefit is that Macs are way harder to manage and so IT depts don’t actually bother and you get admin access and told to turn on FileVault instead of the nightmare that is opinionated GPOs. So when it comes to my option of a MacBook Pro or the cheapest functional Dell Latitude bought in bulk I’m gonna suddenly care a whole lot about testing in Safari. Apple set themselves up really well as an escape hatch from overbearing IT, not surprised people with the opportunity take it. Devs get the treatments that was previously reserved only for the C suites.

by izacus 5y ago

pjmlp 5y ago

Come to Europe, most of those designers will be using Windows machines issued by IT to everyone on the building anyway. And the only Apple gear will be iPhones and iPads used by upper management. Yes, I am also aware there are plenty of cases that aren't like that specially for the fortunate ones living on tier 1 EU countries.

yokoprime 5y ago
(Waiting for company issue M1 Pro MBP)
Yaggo 5y ago
> Come to Europe, most of those designers will be using Windows machines issued by IT to everyone on the building anyway. That's not my experience at all. I would not make such a generalizations for Europe which includes very different cultures / work environments.
- pjmlp 5y ago
  Exactly because I expected such replies I wrote the last sentence that you forgot to read.
  - Yaggo 5y ago
    I did read it. You still made an untrue generalisation and in the last sentence tried to narrow it down. Why not just wrote like "I live in <your country> and here..."
    - pjmlp 5y ago
      Because I have lived in several European countries, slowly approaching 50, and actually you also failed to do that. We can also start discussing formal logic regarding how to properly express generalization.

FearlessNebula 5y ago

I mean can you really blame them? I frequently play tech support for many of my family members running Windows 10 without an SSD and it’s like pulling teeth it’s so slow. Running Windows 10 with an SSD and 8+ GB of RAM is a different story and way better experience.

Spivak 5y ago
Especially since IT departments see Windows as the “budget” option for worker drones who don’t need much other than a web browser and Office. The other side benefit is that Macs are way harder to manage and so IT depts don’t actually bother and you get admin access and told to turn on FileVault instead of the nightmare that is opinionated GPOs. So when it comes to my option of a MacBook Pro or the cheapest functional Dell Latitude bought in bulk I’m gonna suddenly care a whole lot about testing in Safari. Apple set themselves up really well as an escape hatch from overbearing IT, not surprised people with the opportunity take it. Devs get the treatments that was previously reserved only for the C suites.