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We're relying way too much on YouTube.

motoxpro 5y ago
You can just use the other site that has millions and millions of videos. Oh wait... Well at least you can start another site aggregates millions and millions of videos. Dang it, then that site will run into the same problems. Joking aside, I think the "competition is just a click away" applies here it's just that the competition isnt as good.
- ls15 5y ago
  > the competition isnt as good. The competition does not have Youtube's network effects.
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    The competition does not have Googles’s ability and/or willingness to burn that much cash. Apple or Facebook or Amazon or Microsoft have the cash, but obviously none of them see a sufficient likelihood of sufficient ROI. I cannot blame anyone who does not want to start a YouTube competitor, the moderation costs alone must be insane. But for video creators interested in sharing their work, they can do it without Google, and it has never been easier in the history of the world.
    - BrazzVuvuzela 5y ago
      > Apple or Facebook or Amazon or Microsoft have the cash, but obviously none of them see a sufficient likelihood of sufficient ROI. Or they're back at their old tricks and are doing cartel stuff again; making secret agreements with each other about respecting each other's home turf.
      - lotsofpulp 5y ago
        I will go with the simpler explanation of video hosting and content moderation being expensive, and needing deep expertise in selling ads online in order to make any money on it. Vimeo has been around since 2004 catering to businesses, who are far likelier to be paying customers requiring much smaller expenses for content moderation, and still does not earn a profit.
      - astrange 5y ago
        Doesn't Facebook have a video product?
  - motoxpro 5y ago
    A.K.A not as good? I mean couldn't you say that about any product? My little marketplace would be amazing if I had Tik Toks network effects.
- hannob 5y ago
  The problem with creating a competitor for youtube is probably more challenging than most other web services. You don't have to deal with network effects and technology, you also have to deal with a host of thorny copyright issues. There were times when youtube was in less than favorable legal waters. Without a Google-sized team of lawyers to deal with these things it would've probably been sued out of existence long ago.
  - jetsetgo 5y ago
    We're not sure if YouTube even makes money
  - fsflover 5y ago
    The solution is decentralization: https://joinpeertube.org https://joinpeertube.org.
- deleted 5y ago
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- guilhas 5y ago
  There are several already Some users now double publish as backup to YouTube censorship https://alternativeto.net/software/youtube https://alternativeto.net/software/youtube
tux2bsd 5y ago
There are some content creators making stuff on other platforms but it goes from free to watch (youtube+ads) over to paid subscription and there is very little middle ground. From the youtubers I see doing alternate platforms they use the alternate as the "you'll find me here when I'm banned".
minusf 5y ago
not just the viewers... many creators are concerned about yt shutting them down, demonetizing their videos, etc. thats why adam neely is trying to bootstrap an alternative platform called nebula.
- IsThisYou 5y ago
  Creators should also upload their content to YT competitors like Odysee or Rumble. They may not make much money there now, but those sites can only grow if creators start using them. I am subscribed to Nebula too, but that is more of a curated site of already established creators. I'd rather see again the open and free YT of ten years ago.
seaman1921 5y ago
How to get upvotes and look cool : We're relying way too much on <insert something that works really well>.

You can just use the other site that has millions and millions of videos. Oh wait... Well at least you can start another site aggregates millions and millions of videos. Dang it, then that site will run into the same problems. Joking aside, I think the "competition is just a click away" applies here it's just that the competition isnt as good.

ls15 5y ago
> the competition isnt as good. The competition does not have Youtube's network effects.
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  The competition does not have Googles’s ability and/or willingness to burn that much cash. Apple or Facebook or Amazon or Microsoft have the cash, but obviously none of them see a sufficient likelihood of sufficient ROI. I cannot blame anyone who does not want to start a YouTube competitor, the moderation costs alone must be insane. But for video creators interested in sharing their work, they can do it without Google, and it has never been easier in the history of the world.
  - BrazzVuvuzela 5y ago
    > Apple or Facebook or Amazon or Microsoft have the cash, but obviously none of them see a sufficient likelihood of sufficient ROI. Or they're back at their old tricks and are doing cartel stuff again; making secret agreements with each other about respecting each other's home turf.
    - lotsofpulp 5y ago
      I will go with the simpler explanation of video hosting and content moderation being expensive, and needing deep expertise in selling ads online in order to make any money on it. Vimeo has been around since 2004 catering to businesses, who are far likelier to be paying customers requiring much smaller expenses for content moderation, and still does not earn a profit.
    - astrange 5y ago
      Doesn't Facebook have a video product?
- motoxpro 5y ago
  A.K.A not as good? I mean couldn't you say that about any product? My little marketplace would be amazing if I had Tik Toks network effects.
hannob 5y ago
The problem with creating a competitor for youtube is probably more challenging than most other web services. You don't have to deal with network effects and technology, you also have to deal with a host of thorny copyright issues. There were times when youtube was in less than favorable legal waters. Without a Google-sized team of lawyers to deal with these things it would've probably been sued out of existence long ago.
- jetsetgo 5y ago
  We're not sure if YouTube even makes money
- fsflover 5y ago
  The solution is decentralization: https://joinpeertube.org https://joinpeertube.org.
deleted 5y ago
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guilhas 5y ago
There are several already Some users now double publish as backup to YouTube censorship https://alternativeto.net/software/youtube https://alternativeto.net/software/youtube

tux2bsd 5y ago

There are some content creators making stuff on other platforms but it goes from free to watch (youtube+ads) over to paid subscription and there is very little middle ground. From the youtubers I see doing alternate platforms they use the alternate as the "you'll find me here when I'm banned".

minusf 5y ago

not just the viewers... many creators are concerned about yt shutting them down, demonetizing their videos, etc. thats why adam neely is trying to bootstrap an alternative platform called nebula.

IsThisYou 5y ago
Creators should also upload their content to YT competitors like Odysee or Rumble. They may not make much money there now, but those sites can only grow if creators start using them. I am subscribed to Nebula too, but that is more of a curated site of already established creators. I'd rather see again the open and free YT of ten years ago.

seaman1921 5y ago

How to get upvotes and look cool : We're relying way too much on <insert something that works really well>.