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I think a good solution would be to make the bar higher to submit an issue. Disable Github Issues entirely and only allow true mailing list type issues that are

I think a good solution would be to make the bar higher to submit an issue. Disable Github Issues entirely and only allow true mailing list type issues that are significantly "uglier" and less "normie" friendly.

codetrotter 5y ago
No. I contribute many useful GitHub issues, exactly because it’s easily navigable and comfortable to use GH issues. If you want to raise the bar, I think a reputation system would be better.
- aloisdg 5y ago
  Who know who is doing quite ok? Stack Overflow.
- OldTimeCoffee 5y ago
  I think a system like how Slashdot moderation works. You get X points to rate issues or comments based on how many points you have. Comments get a value -2 to 5. Default view only shows 0 to 5. You really only focus your efforts on removing things with a negative rating. I remember it working surprisingly well, especially browsing at 1 or higher, and I've never understood why no one has replicated it. 'Karma' systems must get better engagement.
  - crtasm 5y ago
    If people can easily post spam issues what's stopping them from spamming upvotes on them too?
    - BrazzVuvuzela 5y ago
      Slashdot use meta-moderation. Mod points weren't given to anybody; you only get a few once in a while. And then the way you use them is rated by meta-moderators. The result of that meta-moderation determines whether or not you get more mod points in the future.
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- VMtest 5y ago
  Yes, the mailing list is the best regardless
newaccount74 5y ago
In my experience maintaining software, raising the bar to report bugs is a really bad idea. 99.9% of your customers/users will just stop using your software when they hit a bad bug. Only a tiny minority will bother to report bugs. Github issues is already a pretty high barrier (you need a github account to post). I make software targeted at a technical audience, and only 10% of bugs are reported on Github. So by requiring Github you already lose 90% of potential bug reports. (numbers in this comment are very rough estimates)
- BrazzVuvuzela 5y ago
  But youtube-dl is targeted at a technical audience (it's a command-line application; I know there are GUI wrappers but those aren't what that repo is for.) So by your numbers, youtube-dl would only miss 10% of legitimate bug reports.
  - newaccount74 5y ago
    What I was trying to say is that even for a technical audience having to log in on Github is an obstacle and will reduce the number of reported bugs.
shmerl 5y ago
That's not helping. Mailing lists are annoying to use for bug reports. It will discourage useful contributions.
kevingadd 5y ago
When software makes it harder to submit issues I often just don't submit them. For example, the way VS Code's issue reporting system is configured means I can't use it. The result is that I haven't reported any of the bugs I've hit in the software - sure I could probably dig up someone's email address, but why would I waste the time?
- sergiotapia 5y ago
  >When software makes it harder to submit issues I often just don't submit them. That's the goal.

codetrotter 5y ago

No. I contribute many useful GitHub issues, exactly because it’s easily navigable and comfortable to use GH issues. If you want to raise the bar, I think a reputation system would be better.

aloisdg 5y ago
Who know who is doing quite ok? Stack Overflow.
OldTimeCoffee 5y ago
I think a system like how Slashdot moderation works. You get X points to rate issues or comments based on how many points you have. Comments get a value -2 to 5. Default view only shows 0 to 5. You really only focus your efforts on removing things with a negative rating. I remember it working surprisingly well, especially browsing at 1 or higher, and I've never understood why no one has replicated it. 'Karma' systems must get better engagement.
- crtasm 5y ago
  If people can easily post spam issues what's stopping them from spamming upvotes on them too?
  - BrazzVuvuzela 5y ago
    Slashdot use meta-moderation. Mod points weren't given to anybody; you only get a few once in a while. And then the way you use them is rated by meta-moderators. The result of that meta-moderation determines whether or not you get more mod points in the future.
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VMtest 5y ago
Yes, the mailing list is the best regardless

newaccount74 5y ago

In my experience maintaining software, raising the bar to report bugs is a really bad idea. 99.9% of your customers/users will just stop using your software when they hit a bad bug. Only a tiny minority will bother to report bugs. Github issues is already a pretty high barrier (you need a github account to post). I make software targeted at a technical audience, and only 10% of bugs are reported on Github. So by requiring Github you already lose 90% of potential bug reports. (numbers in this comment are very rough estimates)

BrazzVuvuzela 5y ago
But youtube-dl is targeted at a technical audience (it's a command-line application; I know there are GUI wrappers but those aren't what that repo is for.) So by your numbers, youtube-dl would only miss 10% of legitimate bug reports.
- newaccount74 5y ago
  What I was trying to say is that even for a technical audience having to log in on Github is an obstacle and will reduce the number of reported bugs.

shmerl 5y ago

That's not helping. Mailing lists are annoying to use for bug reports. It will discourage useful contributions.

kevingadd 5y ago

When software makes it harder to submit issues I often just don't submit them. For example, the way VS Code's issue reporting system is configured means I can't use it. The result is that I haven't reported any of the bugs I've hit in the software - sure I could probably dig up someone's email address, but why would I waste the time?

sergiotapia 5y ago
>When software makes it harder to submit issues I often just don't submit them. That's the goal.