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Stuff like this make me wonder if we'll have jobs in 15 years.

desine 5y ago
At its heart stuff like this is no different than the jumps from punchcards you asm to c to python. You still need someone to solidify ideas into processes. The change is that the building blocks themselves become more complex.
- k__ 5y ago
  If I look how much (dumb) code you have to write for stuff like UIs, I certainly hope such tools will automate that work away. Sure, it's easy money, but also boring, lol
NateEag 5y ago
I was worried about this for several years. I then had the realization that if someone manages to genuinely automate programming, humans will wind up still being in the loop to confirm that the generated code is reasonable under the hood, and to be sure we have people who understand what it's doing and why. If I'm right about that, code review chops will be worthwhile in the long haul.
- Nevermark 5y ago
  I think the end game is humans just let self-coding machines work as long as they are generating more cash than the cost of resources they use. Otherwise ... DELETE! Or the machine runs out of the crypto it needs to purchase more computing capacity and halts naturally like Odin intended. Of course, there is just that existential risk that the machines recognizes the profit distributions we are taking are negatively impacting their margins - and ability to survive. :( Where all this goes, nobody knows! But it won't be boring.
whateveracct 5y ago
Wingman just automates sifting through what the Haskell types enforce - they restrict possibilities so much there aren't that many valid programs most of the time. There's plenty of Haskell programmers all the while tho ;)
unhammer 5y ago
For whatever automation a new tool gives you, you get new maintenance on that tool, other languages will want a tool that gives those features, systems running older versions will want upgrades in order to support the tool, 20% time will be spent on getting it running immaculately on Emacs, security researchers will find bugs in the tool so everyone has to fix, patch and upgrade, web sites for showing off the tool need designing and hosting, support forums have to be staffed, blogs have to be written, some novel use of the tool requires integration with various other systems, enterprise asks for a powerbi version that can integrate with oracle (it ends up being 5x slower, but does lead to more jobs in maintenance and meetings), more research is produced etc. etc.

At its heart stuff like this is no different than the jumps from punchcards you asm to c to python. You still need someone to solidify ideas into processes. The change is that the building blocks themselves become more complex.

k__ 5y ago
If I look how much (dumb) code you have to write for stuff like UIs, I certainly hope such tools will automate that work away. Sure, it's easy money, but also boring, lol

NateEag 5y ago

I was worried about this for several years. I then had the realization that if someone manages to genuinely automate programming, humans will wind up still being in the loop to confirm that the generated code is reasonable under the hood, and to be sure we have people who understand what it's doing and why. If I'm right about that, code review chops will be worthwhile in the long haul.

Nevermark 5y ago
I think the end game is humans just let self-coding machines work as long as they are generating more cash than the cost of resources they use. Otherwise ... DELETE! Or the machine runs out of the crypto it needs to purchase more computing capacity and halts naturally like Odin intended. Of course, there is just that existential risk that the machines recognizes the profit distributions we are taking are negatively impacting their margins - and ability to survive. :( Where all this goes, nobody knows! But it won't be boring.

whateveracct 5y ago

Wingman just automates sifting through what the Haskell types enforce - they restrict possibilities so much there aren't that many valid programs most of the time. There's plenty of Haskell programmers all the while tho ;)

unhammer 5y ago

For whatever automation a new tool gives you, you get new maintenance on that tool, other languages will want a tool that gives those features, systems running older versions will want upgrades in order to support the tool, 20% time will be spent on getting it running immaculately on Emacs, security researchers will find bugs in the tool so everyone has to fix, patch and upgrade, web sites for showing off the tool need designing and hosting, support forums have to be staffed, blogs have to be written, some novel use of the tool requires integration with various other systems, enterprise asks for a powerbi version that can integrate with oracle (it ends up being 5x slower, but does lead to more jobs in maintenance and meetings), more research is produced etc. etc.