> try and steel man the argument a bit and think about what is unique and why some people value it. You were saying that the verifiable provenance is part the

> try and steel man the argument a bit and think about what is unique and why some people value it. You were saying that the verifiable provenance is part the value, and I'm saying that that provenance is just as trustworthy as if a centralized service provided it because my trust that what they're asserting (that person X owns token Y) is true depends on how vulnerable they are to tampering, and all these systems are ultimately controlled by traditional factors like how much money you have access to, who you know, etc.