Well IMO one of the problem here is thinking in either "pro" or "anti" group stances. I am neither pro police, nor anti police. I am pro enforcement of laws t

Well IMO one of the problem here is thinking in either "pro" or "anti" group stances. I am neither pro police, nor anti police. I am pro enforcement of laws that protect people from being victimized by others. That is a very narrow statement that does not require me to be "pro police" or "anti police" >> I believe they should be paid more, get more training, and be held to much higher standard This is often a position people take, but if fails root cause analysis. I am not convinced that more training, more pay, and higher standards will fix anything. The root cause is 2 fold first over-criminalization of society, and the use of police to enforce things that should not be crimes in the first place, or should be left to civil enforcement. The second is then giving police more power than average citizen, and I am not just talking arresting power there is a solid case there. However governments pass all kinds of laws written that have specific carve outs for police, this creates a "higher class" member of society that allows the member of this class to believe they are the sovereign and we are the vessels this fly's in the face of governance "For the people, by the people" aka self governance. IMO the law itself creates the logical end result of the policing we have today, unless we change the law the police no matter the pay, training, or standards will still be a problem