>Well, calling a dissenter argumentative, or griping about tone, is actually ad hominem fallacy, because it ignores the argument entirely and personally attacks

>Well, calling a dissenter argumentative, or griping about tone, is actually ad hominem fallacy, because it ignores the argument entirely and personally attacks the man. Well, I didn't ignore the argument, nor did I attack you personally (your tone is not your personality, is it?). So you're misusing "ad hominem". Second, on a human level, I pointed out that your argument came across as curt and unnecessarily argumentative. You can choose to do with that feedback what you will. As in "hey, sorry, I didn't intend it like that" or "NAH-Nah you committed a technical foul therefore I win the argument!". It's your choice, but when people make observations about how you're coming across - it might be wise to assume they mean that genuinely. >Goal posts weren't moved (farther apart, they were moved closer together). This is not the same thing as the meaning of the idiom "moving goal posts," You're plainly wrong. Further apart or narrower doesn't matter - what matters is you changed the scope of your argument to make it easier to support. Your original comment covered 2001-2021, you then casually changed it to 2012-2021 without explicitly acknowledging you were changing the argument. That is textbook goal post moving. Textbook. The rest of the argument is simple - you're saying MacOS hasn't changed enough. I'm saying - relative to its peers it has changed about the same amount. If you can tell me some great advancements that other OS's have had during the same time frame that MacOS lacks that would go a long way to supporting your argument. I'm actually curious on this (since for example - I don't follow Windows too closely). Similarly, I can say Samsung (or whatever) TV's haven't advanced that much in the past 20 years. But if I can't point out a single feature or advancement they are lacking compared with their peers then it's not really a strong argument. It just sounds like I'm angry with Samsung for some reason. >This is a straw man and skew to the argument, which is simply that calling annual upgrades a new operating system due to new GUI features You're incredible. Actually screaming "straw man" in the same sentence you're saying Apple (or literally anybody) calls its point releases "a new operating system". Amazing. You're now 0 for 2 in use of the term "fallacy". >So let me tell you what you're going to do, you're going to have better days and not sweat it so much. I'm fine. As previously mentioned, you're the one who sounds angry.