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Socialbrowse (YC Winter 08): Don't Surf Alone

15 points by thingsilearned 18y ago

whacked_new 18y ago
A skim of the article reminds me of me.dium, and I had trouble finding that name, after forgetting it for long enough. Maybe SB is different (I don't know -- I'm not the target market)?
unalone 18y ago
I don't want to sound like a grumpy old man (I'm a bit young to be old, I'd hope), but all this newfangled attention on "social" seems a bit misleading. Social shouldn't be a constant distraction. It should be more laid-back. More fine-tuned. I love Facebook, but I love it because it helps tie together my campus: before I started college last month, I'd given up Facebook as a needless distraction. Now there's a relevant use for it. Similarly, this isn't doing anything other than wasting my focus even further. It's like StumbleUpon only it's always in the sidebar and it updates without my clicking a button. I'd love to see somebody devilsadvocate me, though. I'd like to see a good argument as to why something like this is not only useful but important.
- garbowza 18y ago
  As you point out, "social" can be done multiple ways: as a distraction or as a true value add. And I completely agree with you, it must be laid back and natural to be effective. That was our goal from the start for Socialbrowse: not to change your browsing behavior, but to enhance the way you already browse, and improve the sites you like to visit. Socialbrowse is realtime, but doesn't require your attention. It's like a human powered RSS stream, so you can pick and choose which links you take or conversations you participate in. Or you can choose to ignore them completely if you're busy. We developed Socialbrowse to be there when you want it, but not to interfere when you don't. That's why it feels very non-intrusive, yet when you take it away, the web feels lonely again.
  - unalone 18y ago
    I haven't tried Socialbrowse, since I haven't messed with Firefox. But is there anything that happens visually when you get new stories, or do you manually refresh it? Because I'd imagine that there's something that catches your eye and distracts you when you get new information. I might check it out, though. You have the right view on the issue, and that's a good thing.
    - garbowza 18y ago
      The sidebar feed is updated automatically in real time. You can close the sidebar at any time, and receive small notifications in the corner of your screen, or you can toggle updates off completely. I do encourage you to try it out for yourself!
- Spyckie 18y ago
  It is useful and important - just not to hackers. If you look at the range of MBTI personality types (not that this is hard evidence), there's plenty of people who don't view the world in terms of focus, efficiency, and usefulness. In fact, one of the common differences in the J/P split is that P's like wandering about, being irresponsible, and having things constantly changing around them. The social usefulness comes from the F/T split. To those who are thinkers, the people aspect is often belittled because to them, there is no pleasure gained from communicating with people (but, LISP... now that is a joy to work with!!!). However, to the F types, talking to people is very pleasant and comfortable - much more than writing code in a structured, logical programming language would ever be. Wikipedia says that FP's count for 30% of the population, and FJ's, another 30%. Compare that to TP's or TJs (16%, 24%), and social browse captures a majority market space. Programmers (INTPs and INTJs, mostly), although they are generally more active and enthusiastic customers, account for < 10% of the population. And they are right in that social apps aren't useful or important to them. However, they're a clear minority in terms of user base, and they're picky, disgruntled, hard to keep, and easy to offend. SocialBrowse (and all social apps) may not have value to them, but it definitely has value to the majority of the world. Now, the key is getting off tech blogs and into real world marketing, guys.
thorax 18y ago
Liking the new performance. Glad you were able to work in the SQLite support. Now all we need is a way to get a Chrome extension...
furiouslol 18y ago
You know... I don't really like the idea of sharing my browsing activities with my friends. It just feels creepy. It makes me feel self-conscious about what websites I can visit. If I want to share a site with you, i'll let you know via email or IM. Having said that, I do like the annotated links feature. Sharing music with friends is great though. I thought the best aspect about Napster wasn't the fact that you can get any song you want online but that you can peep inside your friends' hard drive and see what songs they have. The current soclal music apps like Last.fm just doesn't feel as lively as Napster was. Having said that, doing a Napster now would be a bad idea. I don't think anyone would bother to download a software to share music when there's sites like imeem.
- thorax 18y ago
  SB is more like IM. With this addon you don't have to share anything at all if you don't want. It's just a single button-click to do so, though, for any site you like. It just makes it easier to send it than email if your friends are also on SocialBrowse (or Twitter now).
  - furiouslol 18y ago
    Oh I see. So it's different from Me.dium.

A skim of the article reminds me of me.dium, and I had trouble finding that name, after forgetting it for long enough. Maybe SB is different (I don't know -- I'm not the target market)?

unalone 18y ago

I don't want to sound like a grumpy old man (I'm a bit young to be old, I'd hope), but all this newfangled attention on "social" seems a bit misleading. Social shouldn't be a constant distraction. It should be more laid-back. More fine-tuned. I love Facebook, but I love it because it helps tie together my campus: before I started college last month, I'd given up Facebook as a needless distraction. Now there's a relevant use for it. Similarly, this isn't doing anything other than wasting my focus even further. It's like StumbleUpon only it's always in the sidebar and it updates without my clicking a button. I'd love to see somebody devilsadvocate me, though. I'd like to see a good argument as to why something like this is not only useful but important.

garbowza 18y ago
As you point out, "social" can be done multiple ways: as a distraction or as a true value add. And I completely agree with you, it must be laid back and natural to be effective. That was our goal from the start for Socialbrowse: not to change your browsing behavior, but to enhance the way you already browse, and improve the sites you like to visit. Socialbrowse is realtime, but doesn't require your attention. It's like a human powered RSS stream, so you can pick and choose which links you take or conversations you participate in. Or you can choose to ignore them completely if you're busy. We developed Socialbrowse to be there when you want it, but not to interfere when you don't. That's why it feels very non-intrusive, yet when you take it away, the web feels lonely again.
- unalone 18y ago
  I haven't tried Socialbrowse, since I haven't messed with Firefox. But is there anything that happens visually when you get new stories, or do you manually refresh it? Because I'd imagine that there's something that catches your eye and distracts you when you get new information. I might check it out, though. You have the right view on the issue, and that's a good thing.
  - garbowza 18y ago
    The sidebar feed is updated automatically in real time. You can close the sidebar at any time, and receive small notifications in the corner of your screen, or you can toggle updates off completely. I do encourage you to try it out for yourself!
Spyckie 18y ago
It is useful and important - just not to hackers. If you look at the range of MBTI personality types (not that this is hard evidence), there's plenty of people who don't view the world in terms of focus, efficiency, and usefulness. In fact, one of the common differences in the J/P split is that P's like wandering about, being irresponsible, and having things constantly changing around them. The social usefulness comes from the F/T split. To those who are thinkers, the people aspect is often belittled because to them, there is no pleasure gained from communicating with people (but, LISP... now that is a joy to work with!!!). However, to the F types, talking to people is very pleasant and comfortable - much more than writing code in a structured, logical programming language would ever be. Wikipedia says that FP's count for 30% of the population, and FJ's, another 30%. Compare that to TP's or TJs (16%, 24%), and social browse captures a majority market space. Programmers (INTPs and INTJs, mostly), although they are generally more active and enthusiastic customers, account for < 10% of the population. And they are right in that social apps aren't useful or important to them. However, they're a clear minority in terms of user base, and they're picky, disgruntled, hard to keep, and easy to offend. SocialBrowse (and all social apps) may not have value to them, but it definitely has value to the majority of the world. Now, the key is getting off tech blogs and into real world marketing, guys.

thorax 18y ago

Liking the new performance. Glad you were able to work in the SQLite support. Now all we need is a way to get a Chrome extension...

furiouslol 18y ago

You know... I don't really like the idea of sharing my browsing activities with my friends. It just feels creepy. It makes me feel self-conscious about what websites I can visit. If I want to share a site with you, i'll let you know via email or IM. Having said that, I do like the annotated links feature. Sharing music with friends is great though. I thought the best aspect about Napster wasn't the fact that you can get any song you want online but that you can peep inside your friends' hard drive and see what songs they have. The current soclal music apps like Last.fm just doesn't feel as lively as Napster was. Having said that, doing a Napster now would be a bad idea. I don't think anyone would bother to download a software to share music when there's sites like imeem.

thorax 18y ago
SB is more like IM. With this addon you don't have to share anything at all if you don't want. It's just a single button-click to do so, though, for any site you like. It just makes it easier to send it than email if your friends are also on SocialBrowse (or Twitter now).
- furiouslol 18y ago
  Oh I see. So it's different from Me.dium.