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x86[-64] has its place (especially in "legacy" applications that have been running on it for running on half a century) ARM has its place RISC-V has its place

x86[-64] has its place (especially in "legacy" applications that have been running on it for running on half a century) ARM has its place RISC-V has its place Along with myriad other architectures out there

bdcravens 5y ago
Yes, but the arrival of M1 and the increasing use of ARM in the cloud means many of us in this space are fully ARM for the first time. It is supplanting X86 as our default.
- warrenm 5y ago
  ...but you've been running ARM for probably more than a decade with your mobile devices :) And, based on how most people use their mobile devices, ARM supplanted x86 for most people a long time ago
- maxharris 5y ago
  There is a strong chance that the person you replied to is the ex-Apple Warren Moore. His work on Metal was crucial in making the Apple Silicon transition happen https://twitter.com/warrenm https://twitter.com/warrenm
  - warrenm 5y ago
    I wish I knew who Warren Moore was - he's got a great first name :)
mhh__ 5y ago
> RISC-V has its place Apart from IP issues I'm not seeing much reason for a computer builder to go with RISC-V even if the hardware existed. The ARM ISA and more importantly all the support i.e. documentation and compilers etc. just seems more appealing to me than RISC-V even if RISC-V is pretty clean. I don't think there's all that much in it, but at least with ARM you have a singular entity to sue if something goes wrong, whereas RISC-V is kind of a risk in that regard. I want one, but I have no expectation of ever owning a proper RISC-V desktop machine.
- warrenm 5y ago
  "proper" RISC-V machines may be a ways off ... but a "singular entity to sue" isn't what folks interested in RISC-V are trying to avoid (at least, none of the people I've talked to about it) As it is, there's not really a "singular entity to sue" even in the ARM world - all the licensees out there might be lawsuit targets (if they really blundered something horrifically), but ARM Holdings isn't going to be a serious target

bdcravens 5y ago

Yes, but the arrival of M1 and the increasing use of ARM in the cloud means many of us in this space are fully ARM for the first time. It is supplanting X86 as our default.

warrenm 5y ago
...but you've been running ARM for probably more than a decade with your mobile devices :) And, based on how most people use their mobile devices, ARM supplanted x86 for most people a long time ago
maxharris 5y ago
There is a strong chance that the person you replied to is the ex-Apple Warren Moore. His work on Metal was crucial in making the Apple Silicon transition happen https://twitter.com/warrenm https://twitter.com/warrenm
- warrenm 5y ago
  I wish I knew who Warren Moore was - he's got a great first name :)

mhh__ 5y ago

> RISC-V has its place Apart from IP issues I'm not seeing much reason for a computer builder to go with RISC-V even if the hardware existed. The ARM ISA and more importantly all the support i.e. documentation and compilers etc. just seems more appealing to me than RISC-V even if RISC-V is pretty clean. I don't think there's all that much in it, but at least with ARM you have a singular entity to sue if something goes wrong, whereas RISC-V is kind of a risk in that regard. I want one, but I have no expectation of ever owning a proper RISC-V desktop machine.

warrenm 5y ago
"proper" RISC-V machines may be a ways off ... but a "singular entity to sue" isn't what folks interested in RISC-V are trying to avoid (at least, none of the people I've talked to about it) As it is, there's not really a "singular entity to sue" even in the ARM world - all the licensees out there might be lawsuit targets (if they really blundered something horrifically), but ARM Holdings isn't going to be a serious target