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I would expect most animals that still exist to at the very least not be a major threat to humans - because if they are, they tend to cease to exist.

pizza 5y ago
This world of ours has a tendency to evade equilibria
unmole 5y ago
Depends on your definition of major. Mosquitoes still exist despite nearly a million people dying from the diseases they transmit each yaar. Stray dogs in India are responsible for tens of thousands rabies deaths annually. Yet it's illegal to cull them.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
  I'm surprised about the stray dogs. The mosquitoes are being worked on.
  - unmole 5y ago
    > I'm surprised about the stray dogs. It gets worse. A court recently ruled that Resident Welfare Associations are now legally obligated to feed and look after stray dogs in their neighborhoods.
    - caddybox 5y ago
      A good judgement in my view. Culling dogs isn't the right way to end this. Sterilize them and let them live their lives out. This is going to be the humane way of ending this menace that will also be culturally acceptable.
      - unmole 5y ago
        > A good judgement in my view. Just so I'm clear: You think it's a good idea to foist the responsibility of feeding and looking after street dogs onto resident welfare associations? Many of which actually want them removed? Their member are being asked to pay up for the privilege of being harassed by dogs. To quote none other than Mahatma Gandhi on the subject[0]: > It is a sin, it should be a sin, to feed stray dogs, and we should save numerous dogs if we had legislation making every stray dog liable to be shot. Even if those who feed stray dogs consented to pay a penalty for their misdirected compassion we should be free from the curse of stray dogs. Humanity is a noble attribute of the soul. It is not exhausted with saving a few fish or a few dogs. Such saving may even be sinful. If I have a swarm of ants in my house, the man who proceeds to feed them will be guilty of a sin. For God has provided their grain for the ants, but the man who feeds them might destroy me and my family. The mahajan may feel itself safe and believe that it has saved their lives by dumping dogs near my field, but it will have committed the greater sin of putting my life in danger. > Sterilize them and let them live their lives out. Sterilization isn't going to come cheap. This will only end up diverting funds from municipal governments that are already perpetually short on funds. > This is going to be the humane way of ending this menace that will also be culturally acceptable. Except that it simply doesn't seem to be working. ABC measures have been going on in large cities for years but from what I can tell, the numbers just keep going up. There's a reason the rest of the civilized world culls strays. This is what India did too until Maneka Gandhi got her grubby paws on the AWBI. There isn't some deep seated cultural opposition to culling, it's the the result of morality pushed by privileged animal lovers. There are an estimated 6 million dog bites in the county each year. Most victims are children from poor families. 0: Section 448, Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi, Volume 36 https://www.gandhiashramsevagram.org/gandhi-literature/mahatma-gandhi-collected-works-volume-36.pdf https://www.gandhiashramsevagram.org/gandhi-literature/mahat...
    - kamaal 5y ago
      >>Resident Welfare Associations are now legally obligated to feed and look after stray dogs in their neighborhoods. The best way to stop stray dog menace, just stop throwing food/organic waste on the streets. Stray dogs quite literally survive on this, and I remember my childhood stray dogs used to be all pervasive during the days of corner garbage dumps here in Bangalore, now that we have garbage picking up waste from homes in most areas, they are almost non existent in those areas. Take away their food, they go away.
      - unmole 5y ago
        > The best way to stop stray dog menace, just stop throwing food/organic waste on the streets. I don't know to to respond to this. Garbage has nothing to do with it. There are now organized groups of people who literally drive around, feeding dogs in the streets: https://mylosrescue.com/feeding-initiatives/ https://mylosrescue.com/feeding-initiatives/ In addition, the courts have imposed the obligation on RWAs to feed stray dogs if nobody else is doing so.
rg111 5y ago
These monkeys are not fatally dangerous if that's what GP is saying. But they cause heavy and serious nuisance. Where I live, these monkeys invade gradens, agricultural fields, house rooftops at least 4-5 times a month. The locals drop anything they do, and chase away these monkeys. When chased by an adult male human, these monkeys don't fight back and are easily frightened. They don't mess with adult males or groups of humans. A kid or a lone woman is not safe, though. When faced by them, monkeys gesture retaliation, and that is enough frightening. An adult male cannot physically take on a monkey. It is impossible. Still they don't attack. They steal bananas, mangos, guavas- all kinds of fruits, any food item not indoors, and destroy flowers and plants. Thus, for families depending on these as their source of income have to always remain vigilant to monkey invasions. Common methods include- stone being thrown directly at them intending full harm, pebbles thrown by slingshots, and firecrackers. Banging metal objects loudly also seems to help. We have mango groves that we lend on a yearly basis. The people who lease them from us establish outposts during the mango season which are always manned by at least one man with ready reinforcement in case of monkey invasion. For those families not depending financially on tree products are also harmed. They make growing flowering plants difficult. They steal food from outdoors, and not to mention the awfully smelling solid and liquid excretion they leave on your rooftops. (All rooftops are flat in the plains region, and they are important in our lives.) By the way, I lost one pomelo (Citrus maxima) to a bunch of monkeys this very afternoon.
- cute_boi 5y ago
  I understand but aren't we to be blame for this? We took their home, we took their shelter and what can they do? And they don't have enough wisdom to know who they should harm and who they shouldn't. And many of monkey i know here are too friendly but yea after they starts to live with humans they learn to hoodwink people because many thieves are known to use monkey to snatch valuables from tourist by providing bananas as incentives to them.
  - tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
    > We took their home We are an animal and part of nature too. > And they don't have enough wisdom to know who they should harm and who they shouldn't. They seem pretty smart about it tbh. They know what they can get away with and go no further than that.
olalonde 5y ago
As a side note, I've read that polar bears are one of the most fearless animal towards humans because they had so little interactions with us.
- pstuart 5y ago
  And if they knew what we were doing to their environment boy would they be pissed!

pizza 5y ago

This world of ours has a tendency to evade equilibria

unmole 5y ago

Depends on your definition of major. Mosquitoes still exist despite nearly a million people dying from the diseases they transmit each yaar. Stray dogs in India are responsible for tens of thousands rabies deaths annually. Yet it's illegal to cull them.

tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
I'm surprised about the stray dogs. The mosquitoes are being worked on.
- unmole 5y ago
  > I'm surprised about the stray dogs. It gets worse. A court recently ruled that Resident Welfare Associations are now legally obligated to feed and look after stray dogs in their neighborhoods.
  - caddybox 5y ago
    A good judgement in my view. Culling dogs isn't the right way to end this. Sterilize them and let them live their lives out. This is going to be the humane way of ending this menace that will also be culturally acceptable.
    - unmole 5y ago
      > A good judgement in my view. Just so I'm clear: You think it's a good idea to foist the responsibility of feeding and looking after street dogs onto resident welfare associations? Many of which actually want them removed? Their member are being asked to pay up for the privilege of being harassed by dogs. To quote none other than Mahatma Gandhi on the subject[0]: > It is a sin, it should be a sin, to feed stray dogs, and we should save numerous dogs if we had legislation making every stray dog liable to be shot. Even if those who feed stray dogs consented to pay a penalty for their misdirected compassion we should be free from the curse of stray dogs. Humanity is a noble attribute of the soul. It is not exhausted with saving a few fish or a few dogs. Such saving may even be sinful. If I have a swarm of ants in my house, the man who proceeds to feed them will be guilty of a sin. For God has provided their grain for the ants, but the man who feeds them might destroy me and my family. The mahajan may feel itself safe and believe that it has saved their lives by dumping dogs near my field, but it will have committed the greater sin of putting my life in danger. > Sterilize them and let them live their lives out. Sterilization isn't going to come cheap. This will only end up diverting funds from municipal governments that are already perpetually short on funds. > This is going to be the humane way of ending this menace that will also be culturally acceptable. Except that it simply doesn't seem to be working. ABC measures have been going on in large cities for years but from what I can tell, the numbers just keep going up. There's a reason the rest of the civilized world culls strays. This is what India did too until Maneka Gandhi got her grubby paws on the AWBI. There isn't some deep seated cultural opposition to culling, it's the the result of morality pushed by privileged animal lovers. There are an estimated 6 million dog bites in the county each year. Most victims are children from poor families. 0: Section 448, Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi, Volume 36 https://www.gandhiashramsevagram.org/gandhi-literature/mahatma-gandhi-collected-works-volume-36.pdf https://www.gandhiashramsevagram.org/gandhi-literature/mahat...
  - kamaal 5y ago
    >>Resident Welfare Associations are now legally obligated to feed and look after stray dogs in their neighborhoods. The best way to stop stray dog menace, just stop throwing food/organic waste on the streets. Stray dogs quite literally survive on this, and I remember my childhood stray dogs used to be all pervasive during the days of corner garbage dumps here in Bangalore, now that we have garbage picking up waste from homes in most areas, they are almost non existent in those areas. Take away their food, they go away.
    - unmole 5y ago
      > The best way to stop stray dog menace, just stop throwing food/organic waste on the streets. I don't know to to respond to this. Garbage has nothing to do with it. There are now organized groups of people who literally drive around, feeding dogs in the streets: https://mylosrescue.com/feeding-initiatives/ https://mylosrescue.com/feeding-initiatives/ In addition, the courts have imposed the obligation on RWAs to feed stray dogs if nobody else is doing so.

rg111 5y ago

These monkeys are not fatally dangerous if that's what GP is saying. But they cause heavy and serious nuisance. Where I live, these monkeys invade gradens, agricultural fields, house rooftops at least 4-5 times a month. The locals drop anything they do, and chase away these monkeys. When chased by an adult male human, these monkeys don't fight back and are easily frightened. They don't mess with adult males or groups of humans. A kid or a lone woman is not safe, though. When faced by them, monkeys gesture retaliation, and that is enough frightening. An adult male cannot physically take on a monkey. It is impossible. Still they don't attack. They steal bananas, mangos, guavas- all kinds of fruits, any food item not indoors, and destroy flowers and plants. Thus, for families depending on these as their source of income have to always remain vigilant to monkey invasions. Common methods include- stone being thrown directly at them intending full harm, pebbles thrown by slingshots, and firecrackers. Banging metal objects loudly also seems to help. We have mango groves that we lend on a yearly basis. The people who lease them from us establish outposts during the mango season which are always manned by at least one man with ready reinforcement in case of monkey invasion. For those families not depending financially on tree products are also harmed. They make growing flowering plants difficult. They steal food from outdoors, and not to mention the awfully smelling solid and liquid excretion they leave on your rooftops. (All rooftops are flat in the plains region, and they are important in our lives.) By the way, I lost one pomelo (Citrus maxima) to a bunch of monkeys this very afternoon.

cute_boi 5y ago
I understand but aren't we to be blame for this? We took their home, we took their shelter and what can they do? And they don't have enough wisdom to know who they should harm and who they shouldn't. And many of monkey i know here are too friendly but yea after they starts to live with humans they learn to hoodwink people because many thieves are known to use monkey to snatch valuables from tourist by providing bananas as incentives to them.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
  > We took their home We are an animal and part of nature too. > And they don't have enough wisdom to know who they should harm and who they shouldn't. They seem pretty smart about it tbh. They know what they can get away with and go no further than that.

olalonde 5y ago

As a side note, I've read that polar bears are one of the most fearless animal towards humans because they had so little interactions with us.

pstuart 5y ago
And if they knew what we were doing to their environment boy would they be pissed!