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everyone needs equal access to public data. right now only big tech can download the many web pages (without thottling or being ip banned) on linkedin (microsof

by gbmatt 5y ago

everyone needs equal access to public data. right now only big tech can download the many web pages (without thottling or being ip banned) on linkedin (microsoft), youtube (google), facebook, github (microsoft) and billions of more pages. this also leads to a gap on AI training sets to give big tech even more entrenchment. for instance, only microsoft can build that ai coding application they did because other companies can't access all of github without being throttled or ip banned (last time i checked - but i could be wrong now)[microsoft owns github]. regardless, we need some sort of bot 'bill of rights' to ensure equal access going forward. perhaps the answer is legislation or perhaps it is some massive p2p proxy net. i think it is legislation because the p2p proxy net is too hard to implement, and it would have to solve turing tests. but perhaps web 3.0 (dweb) can just bypass all this nonsense and make its own versions of these popular services with baked-in accessibility for all.

jinushaun 5y ago
Except web3 won’t actually fix those problems. Switching to blockchain won’t decentralize the web because centralization is an unavoidable emergent property of large complex systems.
Barrin92 5y ago
access to public data doesn't really mean much. A lot of training data already is public. Increasing computational resources and reducing the cost of communication always has a centralizing effect, for basic economic/energy/efficiency reasons, it increases the benefits of division of labor and returns at scale. The history of technological process is a history of agglomeration and if web3 reduces barriers all it does is creates more, not less leverage for centralization, the same way the internet did after a short phase of disruption, or even book printing for that matter.
- fault1 5y ago
  this is all true, but consider a computing model that almost was: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescript_(programming_language) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescript_(programming_langua... telescript was kinda of weird, but wildly ahead of its time. the idea was decentralized services and commercial activity, but centralizing computation due to power/energy efficiency. it was like a inverse jvm born at the transition from arpanet->nsfnet->internet, which greatly deregulated commercial activity. it was also born when mobile devices were almost tractible, though 14 years before the iphone. it almost birth the idea of an app store, except "apps" would be decentralized services people send/recv.

by gbmatt 5y ago

jinushaun 5y ago

Except web3 won’t actually fix those problems. Switching to blockchain won’t decentralize the web because centralization is an unavoidable emergent property of large complex systems.

Barrin92 5y ago

access to public data doesn't really mean much. A lot of training data already is public. Increasing computational resources and reducing the cost of communication always has a centralizing effect, for basic economic/energy/efficiency reasons, it increases the benefits of division of labor and returns at scale. The history of technological process is a history of agglomeration and if web3 reduces barriers all it does is creates more, not less leverage for centralization, the same way the internet did after a short phase of disruption, or even book printing for that matter.

fault1 5y ago
this is all true, but consider a computing model that almost was: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescript_(programming_language) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescript_(programming_langua... telescript was kinda of weird, but wildly ahead of its time. the idea was decentralized services and commercial activity, but centralizing computation due to power/energy efficiency. it was like a inverse jvm born at the transition from arpanet->nsfnet->internet, which greatly deregulated commercial activity. it was also born when mobile devices were almost tractible, though 14 years before the iphone. it almost birth the idea of an app store, except "apps" would be decentralized services people send/recv.