>>I don't mean to pile on, I definitely don't see a good rebuttal as piling on, and this is a kinder way to start the rebuttal >>but this is exactly the point

>>I don't mean to pile on, I definitely don't see a good rebuttal as piling on, and this is a kinder way to start the rebuttal >>but this is exactly the point, what jumps out at each of us is precisely the stuff that we find most disagreeable. Yup, that is a good point, so I should be looking more strongly for that effect and contrary indicators as well. Thx for being persistent enough to clarify.