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> villagers began attempting to rescue the dogs on their own. But some of them have found themselves subject to the monkeys' retaliation, and some have even inj
by vmception 5y ago
> villagers began attempting to rescue the dogs on their own. But some of them have found themselves subject to the monkeys' retaliation, and some have even injured themselves or fallen from buildings
how strong are these monkeys?
I mean I know monkeys are strong but can they really ambush a human, and push them over a ledge? can they kidnap a human, carry them upward and drop them over a ledge?
- true_religion 5y agoI think it’s implied that the people are just falling because they are startled or otherwise defending themselves against monkey strikes.
- tebruno99 5y agoHave You ever tried to pull Yourself up to the top of a tree with 1 arm in 30 seconds?
- olalonde 5y agoChimp muscles are stronger than ours but we are often stronger than them in absolute terms because we are bigger (more muscle mass).
- abc_lisper 5y agoWe are not stronger, we have more stamina. There is a difference
- WastingMyTime89 5y agoWe both are stronger and have more stamina than macaques. The biggest male adult macaques are 18kg. That’s probably more that the average adult can raise with one arm but not by much and I insist on average. That’s nothing exceptional for someone in shape. Considering the weight and power in a human leg, a swift kick would seriously harm and probably kill an average macaque. The issue is not strength here.
- sudosysgen 5y agoThe average adult can't lift 18kg with one arm, even with improper posture? That's pretty sad if true.
- syntheticcorp 5y agoAverage adult would include women, which are much weaker than men. It is sad if it applied to just men.
- true_religion 5y agoWith one arm? I’m not sure, but with two arms certainly most women can do it. 18kg is the average weight of a 5 year old kid [1]. It’s pretty routine for women in childcare roles to pick up kids for various reasons. 1. https://www.disabled-world.com/calculators-charts/height-weight-teens.php https://www.disabled-world.com/calculators-charts/height-wei...
- t0mas88 5y agoThe average parent can definitely lift 18kg with one arm, that's the weight of a 3 year old...
- WastingMyTime89 5y agoMore than half adults are women, a third live in Asian when the average weight of an adult is 58kg. You have strong bias.
- seunosewa 5y agoWe are not stronger than chimps. Our arms certainly aren't.
- clairity 5y agoyes, a chimp could literally rip the arm(s) out of a human without a sweat. 1 chimp arm is roughly equivalent to 2 of the strongest human arms.
- sudosysgen 5y agoChimps, no, but a small 20kg macaque, yeah definitely. You could yeet such a small animal, for lack of a better word. That's why they band together :)
- andrewl 5y agoFor a good idea of what chimpanzee musculature looks like, do a search for "hairless chimpanzee." Here's one: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire-36924808 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire-36924808
- sudosysgen 5y agoI certainly agree, you wouldn't have much of a chance against a chimp one on one without weapons. It's just that the article isn't about chimps, but about much smaller macaques.
- krona 5y agoGenerally true, but the average chimp is only 50% stronger in relative terms and the average chimp is only 4ft tall. https://www.pnas.org/content/114/28/7343 https://www.pnas.org/content/114/28/7343 https://www.newscientist.com/article/2138714-chimps-are-not-as-superhumanly-strong-as-we-thought-they-were/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/2138714-chimps-are-not-...
- olalonde 5y ago> This result matches well with the few tests that have been done, which suggest that when it comes to pulling and jumping, chimps are about 1.5 times as strong as humans relative to their body mass. But because they are lighter than the average person, humans can actually outperform them in absolute terms, say O’Neill. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2138714-chimps-are-not-as-superhumanly-strong-as-we-thought-they-were/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/2138714-chimps-are-not-...
- wiseowise 5y agoHas little to do with strength. Haftor can't really do this, but I'm pretty sure he can rip one of those monkeys in half if he catches it.
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- setum 5y ago> can they really ambush a human, and push them over a ledge? I would say male adult monkeys in my village can (males are bigger and stronger), although they don’t. They are fast, agile and acrobatic. Except for well prepared adult humans, monkeys can throw everyone else off a ledge. Reason so many monkeys exist in India is because they are sacred animals (to Hindus, 80% population). In our village, no one can kill them. The most one can do is throw a stone to scare them away.
- xwolfi 5y agoDo you think this could change ?
- riazrizvi 5y agoPossibly but Hinduism is 4000 years old, so it might be a while before we see that change.
- leephillips 5y agoWhere does the 4000 figure come from?
- JadeNB 5y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Hinduism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Hinduism traces the roots of Hinduism as far back as possibly 1900 BC.
- rronalddas 5y agoThe Vedas are supposedly that old
- leephillips 5y agoYes, but (without being a scholar of religion) I had always assumed that Hinduism was far older than its oldest surviving texts, just as Judaism, in some form, is older than whatever year we date the Torah to.
- h2odragon 5y agoI'd bet a pair of them could pick up and throw a human; if they could get the co-ordination right. 50lbs of dog is a bad opponent for a human, 2 of them and humans lose that fight fairly often. Some of the dogs in the video I saw were that size and larger; so if the monkeys can harass and herd them effectively then I'd expect them to be able to do it to a human as well. A human prepared to fight and ready to start killing things is a completely different matter; but I don't think these critters have encountered that yet. They're probably about to.
- analog31 5y agoThe article said the humans have "culled" about 1000 of the monkeys. It's interesting that we use different euphemisms depending on who's doing the killing.
- option_greek 5y agoIn Malaysia not in India. In India, laws don't allow killing of even rabis infested dogs forget about monkeys. Not to mention monkeys are considered sacred.
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- h2odragon 5y agoIMO they don't need to be "culling," which would imply more "humane" means of killing like rifle shots or poisons. They need to go out and kill some monkeys in full sight of the other monkeys, in a personal and ugly way that the moneys understand. Swords and clubs time. Hang bits of the victims where the rest of them hang out. Works for coyotes.
- oblio 5y agoDrag them down to our level and beat them with experience:-D
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- mrleinad 5y agoThey're macaques, so maybe they can handle small children. Not adults.
- jason-phillips 5y ago> how strong are these monkeys? I believe the right question is, how intelligent and distempered are these monkeys? Intelligence > brawn Strength is mostly immaterial once I (as a hypothetical monkey) understand that I can use my agility to rip your eyeballs from their sockets, which then effectively removes your ability to pose a threat to me.
- pharmakom 5y agoWeirdly specific.
- qvrjuec 5y agoThat's a silly way to think about it, strength just gives you more tools that you can work with if you're intelligent. If you aren't strong enough to rip eyeballs from sockets, how does being intelligent enough to know you can do that help you?
- jason-phillips 5y ago> strength just gives you more tools... I believe the opposite is true. If I'm smart, I will use your strengths against you.
- abc_lisper 5y agoAll wild animals are stronger than they look. Humans are comparatively weak.. most of us can’t fight a deer. Monkeys are intelligent. They are aware of leverage and potential danger. They jump on people, chase, scratch and bite them
- mc32 5y agoDeer? Those are from 500 pounds to over one thousand pounds. Oh courses a person can’t engage in a physical fight with them.
- riazrizvi 5y agoIn the San Francisco Bay Area, our native California Mule deer that commonly roam suburban streets, weigh in between 100 and 300lbs.
- bargle0 5y agoWhite tailed deer on the east coast and midwest are in a similar size range.
- technothrasher 5y agoAnd the little Key deer down in Florida, which are the smallest of the North American Whitetails, are typically about 40-50 pounds. One night when I was down in the Florida Keys, typing away at my laptop on the beech in the dark, I felt something cold and wet touch my elbow. I looked over my shoulder, and a little Key deer was sniffing my arm. I jumped a bit, and then the deer jumped a bit, and with one last curious look, she ran off into the dark. Very cute little thing.
- iamthepieman 5y agoWhat deer are these? Deer in my area rarely weigh over 200 pounds.
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- option_greek 5y agoStrength doesn't come into the picture with monkeys. They attack by biting and scratching and often from hidden places like tree tops or rooftops. In many parts of India, the dogs are afraid to even bark at them. That said, adult monkeys are pretty big (3.5-4 feet) and aren't all that light weight. Anecdotally, a baby monkey fell into our neighbors house through bars on the roof and a group of almost 100 monkeys surrounded the house and took them all hostage till the baby was given back.
- Dudemeister_ 5y agoThat is some "planet of the apes" level situation
- arthur_sav 5y agoAdd a mysterious global virus to the mix and you have a movie. Oh wait, that's reality.
- mistrial9 5y agowell, the anxious animals got the baby back.. I am certain the monkeys did not ask nicely! but let's look at it differently, the monkey pack acted together right away for the safety of the smallest one.. did they hurt the humans? the story does not say that; a more aggressive animal would certainly hurt a human right away for the sake of a small one.. but those animals have been hunted and removed.. +1 monkeys from me
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- amitheonlyone 5y agoThe story does say: Now, villagers reported that the monkeys are targeting small children which has created a panic within the village.
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- bluedino 5y ago"How many two year old...monkeys could you take in a fight?"
- itsthecourier 5y agoif a monkey tries to hurt my dogs, i will fight to death for them. mentally they are my children.
- FlyingSnake 5y agoThe Langoor monkeys are really strong and I have personally witnessed their menace. There are countless instances I can recall where the monkeys attacked humans, pets etc.
- tomaskafka 5y agoA small lovely looking gibbon can break your arm off your body easily.
- gonehome 5y agoIf the monkeys start pushing people off buildings that seems like an escalation? If war breaks out between the monkeys and the humans - I’d think we’d have a decisive advantage?
- mannykannot 5y agoMy guess is that in these cases, the humans put themselves into a vulnerable position in pursuit of the monkeys.
- hownottowrite 5y agoPound for pound they are about 1.5X stronger than humans due to the density of fast-twitch muscle fibers. This also makes them quicker and more nimble. If they attack from behind they can easily knock down an adult human. They use this tactic to attack motorcycle delivery drivers quite often and steal food. They would have no trouble nabbing a child.
- bayesian_horse 5y agoWith small children, sure. With bigger humans, they don't need to throw them. It may be enough to drive them strategically by screaming and biting in a big enough group and with an unprepared enough victim.
- rg111 5y ago> how strong are these monkeys? One, or even two monkeys won't usually attack or even threaten an adult male. Although, a monkey will easily beat an adult male human. They are like 2-3.5 ft, and weigh at least 20 kg. They are also sneaky. You will be bitten and scratched badly, and will be fighting for life. One monkey cannot lift a human. I have lived in a monkey infested area for decades, and I have never even heard of someone dying by monkey attack. They also come in packs. They totally avoid directly messing with humans. But if some reason is given, then they can attack. I think they cannot lift a full grown human being. Or kidnap one. I think these injuries are from people getting on the roofs by themselves to save dogs, and falling due to bad control, panic, being attacked, or all.