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> this shouldn't be a big deal for Bose if this is a one-off freak accident. And if it's a systemic issue, it better become a big deal. You're spamming the thr

> this shouldn't be a big deal for Bose if this is a one-off freak accident. And if it's a systemic issue, it better become a big deal. You're spamming the thread with dramatic comments that are premised on this not being a one-off freak accident. Nice of you to finally acknowledge the possibility.

romwell 5y ago
> You're spamming the thread with dramatic comments that are premised on this not being a one-off freak accident My bad. I've been led to believe that the batteries in these headphones are inherently dangerous and that the OP should have known better by the commenters that defend Bose elsewhere in the thread: >In the end you're carrying a high energy density power source on your head that would love to just catch fire. Don't they teach kids anything in chemistry these days? >I mean I’m glad it didn’t happen to me, but a billion people are carrying around billions of Lithium-ion batteries. Those batteries sometimes catch fire because Lithium is highly flammable. It’s gonna happen. >Nothing is perfectly safe, that is how lithium batteries fail. You should know so you can properly deal with problems. >Well, at lease EVs are spontaneously catching fire. >Everyone is aware of the risks, there were a bunch of stories about airplane cell phone fires a few years ago. >lithium battery fires are really nasty, and that's why he got a chemical burn. LiPF6 is a contact irritant, PF5 it decomposes to is a gas, and also a respiratory irritant, and HF PH5 decomposes in the air is a dangerous poisonous acid. This is what everybody visiting a lithium battery factory is told on safety orientation. In case there is fire in the factory, run, preferably until you are few blocks away. Combining this, we have on our hands an inevitable freak accident that every consumer should be prepared for, but no manufacturer can expect to happen or do anything to mitigate the damage. Got it.
- GavinMcG 5y ago
  I'm talking about your rhetorical strategy. You've got a reasonable view, and you're being ineffective in advancing it.
  - romwell 5y ago
    My rhetorical strategy resulted in the OP filing the report with the CPSC. As far as strategy goes, mission accomplished. The purpose of further discussion is that I enjoy it; these are not the views I thought needed to be advanced on the account of being self-evident. I am very disappointed that this is not the case.
    - GavinMcG 5y ago
      You've continued well after you prompted a CPSC report. I'd hope that one purpose of further discussion is benefit to the rest of the community, rather than being solely for your enjoyment. I'm sorry that's disappointing to you.
      - romwell 5y ago
        dang 5y ago
        Would you please stop feeding flamewars on HN? You did a ton of it in this thread. Not cool. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: I had to ask you about this just recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29501704 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29501704, and before that too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28213714 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28213714. I realize you're not doing it intentionally but we need you to fix this.
        romwell 5y ago
        dang, in the future I'll do my best to not respond to personal attacks like [x1], and downvote, flag, and move on instead. And thank you for the (hopefully not absolutely) thankless job of maintaining the level of discourse here. I'm sad, though, that none of the incredibly uncivil comments towards the OP in this thread merited a "not cool" remark from you. The OP is both a commenter on HN in this thread[o1], and the author of the linked blog post. The hostility towards him is destructive to HN. This was a part of reason why I was so active in this thread in particular. If the admins aren't going to call out hostile behavior, someone has to. What was said to OP merits at least a response, and there's none from the mods so far. By calling out my comments, but not those, you are sending a signal as to which kind is welcome on HN. Examples (personal attacks towards to the OP): <read in the context of OP describing pain from chemical burns, as diagnosed by his doctor, after his headphones spontaneously caught fire> [a1] "Sounds like a hypochondriac person"; when called out, doubles down with "Since when is hypochondriac an insult?" [a2] "OP does sound like a hypochondriac, like, skin touching some warm object and worries about nerve damage. OP should go out more." [a3] "That sort of paranoia doesn't help. In fact it may cause psychosomatic symptoms (nocebo effect)." [a4] "Everyone is aware of the risks, there were a bunch of stories about airplane cell phone fires a few years ago. What are <you> suggesting people do? Headphones only function while on your head." [a5] "Well, someone paying $400 for a pair of headphones is probably not very knowledgeable outside their narrow field of expertise." [a6] "There is an annoying trend among people that expect everything to be perfectly safe. It seems to be a symptom of an overly sheltered existence." [a7] "If the author is thinking about suing, they'd be wiser to not eviscerate their own credibility as an engineer Select comments to me: <The thread you are commenting in was in response to this one> [x1] "You're spamming the thread with dramatic comments that are premised on this not being a one-off freak accident. Nice of you to finally acknowledge the possibility. <polite language, hostile intent> [x2] "You're not the OP, you are monopolizing this thread with more bits than you'd normally have a right to, I suggest - mildly - that you reconsider whether or not you think this is a proportional response to something that does not concern you directly or that it is possible that you are over-reacting. " -- TL;DR: I am over-reacting and I have exhausted my "right" to talk here. Other off-topic flamewar starters: [f1] "The American response, to a non-American, is fascinating. You believe that you “deserve” compensation, but at the same time you guys are all crazy on independence and don’t-tell-me-how-to-behave and whatever else. But as soon as a thing goes wrong you want money for it. It’s like you don’t believe in the concept of an accident." [f2] "Have a look at insurance premiums that doctors have to pay, especially the high-risk specializations (like neurosurgery). I guess I don't have to explain why they're so high." ___________________ I have been a long-time contributor to the discussions here, and would be sad to see more of the below becoming the norm. Your response that you have seen this comment will be greatly appreciated. HN is only as good as the community here is. [o1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602376 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602376 [a1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602871 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602871 [a2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29603113 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29603113 [a3] https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=29602646 https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=29602646 [a4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602397 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602397 [a5] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602861 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602861 [a6] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602566 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602566 [a7] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29604119 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29604119 [x1] https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=29604630 https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=29604630 [x2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29604997 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29604997 [f1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602437 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602437 [f2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602685 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602685

romwell 5y ago

> You're spamming the thread with dramatic comments that are premised on this not being a one-off freak accident My bad. I've been led to believe that the batteries in these headphones are inherently dangerous and that the OP should have known better by the commenters that defend Bose elsewhere in the thread: >In the end you're carrying a high energy density power source on your head that would love to just catch fire. Don't they teach kids anything in chemistry these days? >I mean I’m glad it didn’t happen to me, but a billion people are carrying around billions of Lithium-ion batteries. Those batteries sometimes catch fire because Lithium is highly flammable. It’s gonna happen. >Nothing is perfectly safe, that is how lithium batteries fail. You should know so you can properly deal with problems. >Well, at lease EVs are spontaneously catching fire. >Everyone is aware of the risks, there were a bunch of stories about airplane cell phone fires a few years ago. >lithium battery fires are really nasty, and that's why he got a chemical burn. LiPF6 is a contact irritant, PF5 it decomposes to is a gas, and also a respiratory irritant, and HF PH5 decomposes in the air is a dangerous poisonous acid. This is what everybody visiting a lithium battery factory is told on safety orientation. In case there is fire in the factory, run, preferably until you are few blocks away. Combining this, we have on our hands an inevitable freak accident that every consumer should be prepared for, but no manufacturer can expect to happen or do anything to mitigate the damage. Got it.

GavinMcG 5y ago
I'm talking about your rhetorical strategy. You've got a reasonable view, and you're being ineffective in advancing it.
- romwell 5y ago
  My rhetorical strategy resulted in the OP filing the report with the CPSC. As far as strategy goes, mission accomplished. The purpose of further discussion is that I enjoy it; these are not the views I thought needed to be advanced on the account of being self-evident. I am very disappointed that this is not the case.
  - GavinMcG 5y ago
    You've continued well after you prompted a CPSC report. I'd hope that one purpose of further discussion is benefit to the rest of the community, rather than being solely for your enjoyment. I'm sorry that's disappointing to you.
    - romwell 5y ago
      - dang 5y ago
        Would you please stop feeding flamewars on HN? You did a ton of it in this thread. Not cool. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: I had to ask you about this just recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29501704 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29501704, and before that too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28213714 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28213714. I realize you're not doing it intentionally but we need you to fix this.
        romwell 5y ago
        dang, in the future I'll do my best to not respond to personal attacks like [x1], and downvote, flag, and move on instead. And thank you for the (hopefully not absolutely) thankless job of maintaining the level of discourse here. I'm sad, though, that none of the incredibly uncivil comments towards the OP in this thread merited a "not cool" remark from you. The OP is both a commenter on HN in this thread[o1], and the author of the linked blog post. The hostility towards him is destructive to HN. This was a part of reason why I was so active in this thread in particular. If the admins aren't going to call out hostile behavior, someone has to. What was said to OP merits at least a response, and there's none from the mods so far. By calling out my comments, but not those, you are sending a signal as to which kind is welcome on HN. Examples (personal attacks towards to the OP): <read in the context of OP describing pain from chemical burns, as diagnosed by his doctor, after his headphones spontaneously caught fire> [a1] "Sounds like a hypochondriac person"; when called out, doubles down with "Since when is hypochondriac an insult?" [a2] "OP does sound like a hypochondriac, like, skin touching some warm object and worries about nerve damage. OP should go out more." [a3] "That sort of paranoia doesn't help. In fact it may cause psychosomatic symptoms (nocebo effect)." [a4] "Everyone is aware of the risks, there were a bunch of stories about airplane cell phone fires a few years ago. What are <you> suggesting people do? Headphones only function while on your head." [a5] "Well, someone paying $400 for a pair of headphones is probably not very knowledgeable outside their narrow field of expertise." [a6] "There is an annoying trend among people that expect everything to be perfectly safe. It seems to be a symptom of an overly sheltered existence." [a7] "If the author is thinking about suing, they'd be wiser to not eviscerate their own credibility as an engineer Select comments to me: <The thread you are commenting in was in response to this one> [x1] "You're spamming the thread with dramatic comments that are premised on this not being a one-off freak accident. Nice of you to finally acknowledge the possibility. <polite language, hostile intent> [x2] "You're not the OP, you are monopolizing this thread with more bits than you'd normally have a right to, I suggest - mildly - that you reconsider whether or not you think this is a proportional response to something that does not concern you directly or that it is possible that you are over-reacting. " -- TL;DR: I am over-reacting and I have exhausted my "right" to talk here. Other off-topic flamewar starters: [f1] "The American response, to a non-American, is fascinating. You believe that you “deserve” compensation, but at the same time you guys are all crazy on independence and don’t-tell-me-how-to-behave and whatever else. But as soon as a thing goes wrong you want money for it. It’s like you don’t believe in the concept of an accident." [f2] "Have a look at insurance premiums that doctors have to pay, especially the high-risk specializations (like neurosurgery). I guess I don't have to explain why they're so high." ___________________ I have been a long-time contributor to the discussions here, and would be sad to see more of the below becoming the norm. Your response that you have seen this comment will be greatly appreciated. HN is only as good as the community here is. [o1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602376 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602376 [a1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602871 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602871 [a2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29603113 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29603113 [a3] https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=29602646 https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=29602646 [a4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602397 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602397 [a5] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602861 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602861 [a6] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602566 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602566 [a7] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29604119 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29604119 [x1] https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=29604630 https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=29604630 [x2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29604997 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29604997 [f1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602437 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602437 [f2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602685 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29602685