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anyone can give us a run down what was demoed? I find the claim that first version of Rails beats EVERYTHING in existence today (except Phoenix you said, does t

by nsonha 5y ago

anyone can give us a run down what was demoed? I find the claim that first version of Rails beats EVERYTHING in existence today (except Phoenix you said, does that mean Phoenix is superior than everything else?) very dubious.

dmitriid 5y ago
The original "How to build a blog in 15 minutes with Rails" from 2005: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzj723LkRJY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzj723LkRJY I've yet to see a single video like that from any of the new remixes/redwoods/nexts/nuxts/<god there are so many of them> And one that doesn't require 270 KB of Javascript to display a static page like Remix's landing page.
- nsonha 5y ago
  I didn't say javascript. other languages exist you know. I build my blog in next in like 5 mins and dont need to spin up a freaking db for it. your reply is really on point btw, I ask if any one has a list of features and you say here is a video watch it and make the list
  - dmitriid 5y ago
    > I build my blog in next in like 5 mins and dont need to spin up a freaking db for it. Yeah, you built your static site using about a million dependencies etc. Now try building it with a DB, because that's what a lot of sites require. And yup, rails could easily give you that 16 years ago, with scaffolding and what not. > i ask if any one has a list of features and you say here is a video watch it Because the video is quite short, and shows things unachievable with most (or all?) current frameworks. Like building a fully-functional DB-enabled app in under 15 minutes with introspection.
    - nsonha 5y ago
      > things unachievable with most (or all?) current frameworks. What things? you are wasting a lot of words and saying nothing. I'm watching the video and see nothing impressive. I mean it sounded impressive back in the day, but today? Symphony for example can do all of this. Not that I like PHP it's just the only framework I know, but there are plenty of those in existence
      - dmitriid 5y ago
        > What things? Let me quote that for you: --- start quote --- building a fully-functional DB-enabled app in under 15 minutes with introspection [etc]. --- end quote ---
        nsonha 5y ago
        any framework can do that? Next can do that too, I only mentioned static web because i think it's pretty absurd to spin up a database for a blog. who makes claims like "Rails is the only framework that has database with introspection"? What do you think the word "framework" means and what do you think other frameworks do?
    - nsonha 5y ago
      Nest and django Those are the name of 2 random frameworks, one js and one python, name ONE thing Rails can do that these cant
      - dmitriid 5y ago
        > Nest and django I clean forgot about Django. I haven't used it in over 10 years. No idea what Nest is. > name ONE thing Rails can do that these cant No-no-no. Lets start from "here's a demo that build an actual functioning db-enabled app in 15 minutes that doesn't require 100 lines of code to just display a static page"
        nsonha 5y ago
        > require 100 lines of code to just display a static page I suggest you don't make comment about things you've never used. To have a hello world static page in nextjs you just need a single file with a single line. To have a database set up it takes... 15 mins too. You are pulling 100 lines of code out of your arse.

by nsonha 5y ago

dmitriid 5y ago

The original "How to build a blog in 15 minutes with Rails" from 2005: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzj723LkRJY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzj723LkRJY I've yet to see a single video like that from any of the new remixes/redwoods/nexts/nuxts/<god there are so many of them> And one that doesn't require 270 KB of Javascript to display a static page like Remix's landing page.

nsonha 5y ago
I didn't say javascript. other languages exist you know. I build my blog in next in like 5 mins and dont need to spin up a freaking db for it. your reply is really on point btw, I ask if any one has a list of features and you say here is a video watch it and make the list
- dmitriid 5y ago
  > I build my blog in next in like 5 mins and dont need to spin up a freaking db for it. Yeah, you built your static site using about a million dependencies etc. Now try building it with a DB, because that's what a lot of sites require. And yup, rails could easily give you that 16 years ago, with scaffolding and what not. > i ask if any one has a list of features and you say here is a video watch it Because the video is quite short, and shows things unachievable with most (or all?) current frameworks. Like building a fully-functional DB-enabled app in under 15 minutes with introspection.
  - nsonha 5y ago
    > things unachievable with most (or all?) current frameworks. What things? you are wasting a lot of words and saying nothing. I'm watching the video and see nothing impressive. I mean it sounded impressive back in the day, but today? Symphony for example can do all of this. Not that I like PHP it's just the only framework I know, but there are plenty of those in existence
    - dmitriid 5y ago
      > What things? Let me quote that for you: --- start quote --- building a fully-functional DB-enabled app in under 15 minutes with introspection [etc]. --- end quote ---
      - nsonha 5y ago
        any framework can do that? Next can do that too, I only mentioned static web because i think it's pretty absurd to spin up a database for a blog. who makes claims like "Rails is the only framework that has database with introspection"? What do you think the word "framework" means and what do you think other frameworks do?
  - nsonha 5y ago
    Nest and django Those are the name of 2 random frameworks, one js and one python, name ONE thing Rails can do that these cant
    - dmitriid 5y ago
      > Nest and django I clean forgot about Django. I haven't used it in over 10 years. No idea what Nest is. > name ONE thing Rails can do that these cant No-no-no. Lets start from "here's a demo that build an actual functioning db-enabled app in 15 minutes that doesn't require 100 lines of code to just display a static page"
      - nsonha 5y ago
        > require 100 lines of code to just display a static page I suggest you don't make comment about things you've never used. To have a hello world static page in nextjs you just need a single file with a single line. To have a database set up it takes... 15 mins too. You are pulling 100 lines of code out of your arse.