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unless people still don’t understand they’re not fighting against authoritarianism but a virus which simply does not care about people being “oppressed”

• ekianjo 5y ago
  > they’re not fighting against authoritarianism mandatory injection of substances in your body without one's consent is the textbook definition of authoritarianism. Not the first time it happened in History.
  • adriancr 5y ago
    oh no... by this logic we should have never used any vaccine all throughout history / the whole globe is authoritarian... grow up.
    • ekianjo 5y ago
      Voluntary vaccination is fine. Try avoid reading between the lines.
      • adriancr 5y ago
        It is voluntary.
        • Closi 5y ago
          It's not really voluntary - you are excluded from lots of society by law that you previously didn't had access to if you don't do it (for instance you are no longer legally allowed to visit restaurants, museums etc). At the very least it's highly coercive. (I personally am vaccinated, think everyone should get themselves vaccinated, and am against 'vaccination passports').
          • adriancr 5y ago
            So it is voluntary. People just dont like the consequences of their actions. > am against 'vaccination passports' These are required when visiting certain countries where you are expected to be vaccinated against certain diseases. Also for citizenship in most places (TB vaccine + scan of lungs, all other expected vaccines...) So its merely adding a new vaccine to the already existing lists.
            • Closi 5y ago
              > So it is voluntary. People just dont like the consequences of their actions. Voluntary is doing something by your own free will, which to me doesn't mean "there are legal consequences / you will be banned from your current way of living if you don't do it". For instance, if you had to register as an organ donor otherwise you could never eat at a restaurant at any time in your life, I doubt we would call that registration 'completely voluntary'. But I think this just comes down to a definition of what you count as voluntary, and if something can be truly voluntary if people are actually doing it because of coercion. It depends where you stop, if we fine people if they don't take a vaccine does that still count as voluntary, just because there are consequences to their actions? What if we put people in jail? Where is the line between something being voluntary and being coerced? > These are required when visiting certain countries where you are expected to be vaccinated against certain diseases. Also for citizenship in most places (TB vaccine + scan of lungs, all other expected vaccines...) To clarify I'm talking about domestic 'vaccine passports'. The word in the UK at least is used to describe the introduction of proving your identification and vaccination status every time you go into a restaurant or bar within the country etc as they have introduced in France, which also keeps a log of everywhere every citizen has visited. If any country wants to block anyone from entering their country without a particular vaccination then that's fine and their decision.
              • adriancr 5y ago
                One person's freedoms end where another's begin. You are saying that restricting someone's 'freedoms' make vaccine not voluntary. Perhaps there is a bit of coercion, that being said, people are free to take it or not. If they do not they can't expect to be allowed to spread the disease and potentially kill other people. When disease is eradicated they can be free to do whatever they like, until then they should be acting like responsible adults. Your example of organ donor is unreasonable... a better example would be someone with active TB being allowed to go out and cough everywhere... That is also illegal... regardless if everyone else is vaccinated or not. > To clarify I'm talking about domestic 'vaccine passports'. The word in the UK at least is used to describe the introduction of proving your identification and vaccination status every time you go into a restaurant or bar within the country etc as they have introduced in France, which also keeps a log of everywhere every citizen has visited. That's just enforcing the law... Can't have a law that nobody checks.
        • ekianjo 5y ago
          Not really. When you fire people because they don't want vaccination it's pure coercion. Let's stop pretending otherwise.
  • mytailorisrich 5y ago
    In France 11 vaccines are mandatory by law for children, starting soon after birth. The number of people who have a problem with that is minuscule and infinitely smaller than the number of people who have a problem with Covid vaccines, which are not mandatory. To me this highlights the high degree of irrationality and of misplaced "fight for freedom" we're seeing.
    • jeidz 5y ago
      This is a dishonest comparison because 1) most of those other vaccines are much more effective to the point of being sterilising, flawless and/or lasting a lifetime and 2) they all have been tested to hell and back.
      • mytailorisrich 5y ago
        I think immediately calling names proves my point...