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Sounds stupid. In Germany we have a case now. One nurse faked her vaccination pass, not just to be able to say she's vaccinated but also in terms not to do the

Sounds stupid. In Germany we have a case now. One nurse faked her vaccination pass, not just to be able to say she's vaccinated but also in terms not to do the testings anymore. Her husband got infected and she still went to her workplace - always saying there is no need to be quarantined for vaccinated. She then developed Symptoms by herself - in the meantime her colleagues got infected and some patients, of who 3 died. That's hate, egoism and inhumane. That woman faces charges comparable to murder 1st degree. I hope she will get some more serious charges. No mercy.

rasz 5y ago
This story makes no sense. Vaccinated people get infected and spread virus just the same as non vaccinated people, the only difference is the severity of the infection.
- theGeatZhopa 5y ago
  Yes and no. Virus loads among the vaccinated and unvaccinated are different. So is their ability to spread, as infection need some amount of viruses. So it's not "..just the same". Big difference. But that's not the point of the story. The point of that story is what the woman did. Knowingly being a 1st grade contact with a confirmed case (living with), going to work with symptoms to a house of elder people, didn't want to test because she is vaccinated (bought) and risking the life of others. 3 died. All colleagues infected with mild to middle symptoms. That's the point. Peace
ekianjo 5y ago
> in the meantime her colleagues got infected and some patients, of who 3 died Where the patients vaccinated? Because if they were, are they supposed NOT to die? > That's hate, egoism and inhumane So can we force you to get all kind of shots because you risk killing people by spreading stuff like the flu in winter? (that does kill people too, whether you are aware of it or not). Are we also going to charge people who transmit STDs next? Be careful what you wish for
- adriancr 5y ago
  > Are we also going to charge people who transmit STDs next? isnt it already the case for knowingly spreading HIV?
- theGeatZhopa 5y ago
  In fact, it is already like that. If you have some STD and don't take precautions like preservatives and after the sexual intercourse the other person is infected, too, you can be held accountable and face some serious charges for that. It depends on your "partner" whether this gets beknown and whether he/she do an official statement (I don't know how it's called in English. You go to police station and tell them you're harmed by another one. They start an investigation which ends with holding the causer liable most of the time.) This apply most of the time to diseases like HIV/AIDS and the kinds of.. getting a bacterial infections with clostridium is considered not to be very harmful. Nevertheless, it's your freedom to sue or not to sue the other one. Most victims are women and feel ashamed by that. So no official prosecution is started because of that. The same is held for infectious deseases like flu and hepatitis. We also have some mandatory vaccines like against measles (which can be used as a biological weapon). In Germany there is a law which is like "every individual has the right not to be harmed in no matter what way." And further in the same sentence "the freedom of an individual ends there, where the the freedom of an other is touched" This are the basic laws and stand on the second place after the very first law "every individual has the right to live and to unfold his personality as he/she thinks so" So. Basically, I don't wish for - it's already law since the ending of the second world war. And yes, you/me can be forced to do a vaccination in certain cases, where the health of all is touched. And we have that situation right now. So it will come. I'm happy about that - but, this is the pint: I'm against mandatory vaccines by myself. Every one should take his own responsibility for the society he lives in, like the laws and institutions of the very self society are made to make the live secure & good for everyone in that society. Law & Order, I guess xD. The incident happened was in a house for elder people. 29 got infected. Three of them died. So, basically, that corresponds to "the vaccine helps not to die". Without vaccine, in worst case all of the elderly would have died. It's not just reckless of the woman, it's criminal. Me, got 3x vaccined against covid and I also got the flu vaccine like 8 weeks ago. Not because I fear something. I'm in the comfortable position to be able to say "if I die, everything finally comes to an end and I don't need to face the struggle any more" But, I did that for my mom & dad (I'm 40, only kid. One of them wouldn't survive my leaving..). I did that to be able to work (having a lot of daily contacts). I did that for my company, so it won't be shutdown in case of - making possible to pay the fees and the monthly rent. I did that for the whole economy. All bars, restaurants, theaters, shops .. I'm able to help by spending my money on them. It wouldn't be possible if the counts are way too high and everything is lockdowned, or if I get infected xD And of course, for my self - I still have a very healthy body without being ill the last 10 years or so.. I can't calculate the risk for the possible severeness of an infection with COVID. I don't want to risk being aired by the machine (which breaks more tissue as the virus itself) or having half of the lungs not working for the rest of my life. No one can tell how high the risk is - just precautions. I don't need to do the tests with 3x vaccines, but still do them almost daily. Just because of my colleagues and the company and more important: Not to spread the virus unknowingly and harm other people around me. They also got illnesses I can't see, jobs that may be crucial for their life beings and other points unseen by me. I see the vaccine as my duty to give back what society gave me. But of course. I'm not a person who wants everything to be mandatory - I say "everyone have the right to decide, but must be held liable for the results of the decision" For that we have the laws. Yesterday I've had an encounter with a man in his mid 50s, who is totally against the measures and vaccination. I've should pulled down my mask an just tell him "the tests are not reliable. Since three days all my tests show positive, but I don't feel ill. Everything is fake" xD that face Long text, short said: If you live in a society that cares for you, you should care for that society too. Peace!
adriancr 5y ago
She should face manslaugter charges for the 3 that died...
- theGeatZhopa 5y ago
  It will be like that. She already did an disclosure because of the faked papers, but still trying to argument like it's not my fault they got infected. Let's see if there are some contacts of the other co-workers/coworkers by them selves, who have been infected before the infections of the elderly started xD Her problem is, every company should take notes of the results of testing of employees for the infection. Especially in that very sensitive area working with "elderly patients", if the companies don't take notes, they can be held responsible. The police already said, the employer didn't show any misbehaving on that matter xD Such a egoistic person. Should be sentenced for that.

rasz 5y ago

This story makes no sense. Vaccinated people get infected and spread virus just the same as non vaccinated people, the only difference is the severity of the infection.

theGeatZhopa 5y ago
Yes and no. Virus loads among the vaccinated and unvaccinated are different. So is their ability to spread, as infection need some amount of viruses. So it's not "..just the same". Big difference. But that's not the point of the story. The point of that story is what the woman did. Knowingly being a 1st grade contact with a confirmed case (living with), going to work with symptoms to a house of elder people, didn't want to test because she is vaccinated (bought) and risking the life of others. 3 died. All colleagues infected with mild to middle symptoms. That's the point. Peace

ekianjo 5y ago

> in the meantime her colleagues got infected and some patients, of who 3 died Where the patients vaccinated? Because if they were, are they supposed NOT to die? > That's hate, egoism and inhumane So can we force you to get all kind of shots because you risk killing people by spreading stuff like the flu in winter? (that does kill people too, whether you are aware of it or not). Are we also going to charge people who transmit STDs next? Be careful what you wish for

adriancr 5y ago
> Are we also going to charge people who transmit STDs next? isnt it already the case for knowingly spreading HIV?
theGeatZhopa 5y ago
In fact, it is already like that. If you have some STD and don't take precautions like preservatives and after the sexual intercourse the other person is infected, too, you can be held accountable and face some serious charges for that. It depends on your "partner" whether this gets beknown and whether he/she do an official statement (I don't know how it's called in English. You go to police station and tell them you're harmed by another one. They start an investigation which ends with holding the causer liable most of the time.) This apply most of the time to diseases like HIV/AIDS and the kinds of.. getting a bacterial infections with clostridium is considered not to be very harmful. Nevertheless, it's your freedom to sue or not to sue the other one. Most victims are women and feel ashamed by that. So no official prosecution is started because of that. The same is held for infectious deseases like flu and hepatitis. We also have some mandatory vaccines like against measles (which can be used as a biological weapon). In Germany there is a law which is like "every individual has the right not to be harmed in no matter what way." And further in the same sentence "the freedom of an individual ends there, where the the freedom of an other is touched" This are the basic laws and stand on the second place after the very first law "every individual has the right to live and to unfold his personality as he/she thinks so" So. Basically, I don't wish for - it's already law since the ending of the second world war. And yes, you/me can be forced to do a vaccination in certain cases, where the health of all is touched. And we have that situation right now. So it will come. I'm happy about that - but, this is the pint: I'm against mandatory vaccines by myself. Every one should take his own responsibility for the society he lives in, like the laws and institutions of the very self society are made to make the live secure & good for everyone in that society. Law & Order, I guess xD. The incident happened was in a house for elder people. 29 got infected. Three of them died. So, basically, that corresponds to "the vaccine helps not to die". Without vaccine, in worst case all of the elderly would have died. It's not just reckless of the woman, it's criminal. Me, got 3x vaccined against covid and I also got the flu vaccine like 8 weeks ago. Not because I fear something. I'm in the comfortable position to be able to say "if I die, everything finally comes to an end and I don't need to face the struggle any more" But, I did that for my mom & dad (I'm 40, only kid. One of them wouldn't survive my leaving..). I did that to be able to work (having a lot of daily contacts). I did that for my company, so it won't be shutdown in case of - making possible to pay the fees and the monthly rent. I did that for the whole economy. All bars, restaurants, theaters, shops .. I'm able to help by spending my money on them. It wouldn't be possible if the counts are way too high and everything is lockdowned, or if I get infected xD And of course, for my self - I still have a very healthy body without being ill the last 10 years or so.. I can't calculate the risk for the possible severeness of an infection with COVID. I don't want to risk being aired by the machine (which breaks more tissue as the virus itself) or having half of the lungs not working for the rest of my life. No one can tell how high the risk is - just precautions. I don't need to do the tests with 3x vaccines, but still do them almost daily. Just because of my colleagues and the company and more important: Not to spread the virus unknowingly and harm other people around me. They also got illnesses I can't see, jobs that may be crucial for their life beings and other points unseen by me. I see the vaccine as my duty to give back what society gave me. But of course. I'm not a person who wants everything to be mandatory - I say "everyone have the right to decide, but must be held liable for the results of the decision" For that we have the laws. Yesterday I've had an encounter with a man in his mid 50s, who is totally against the measures and vaccination. I've should pulled down my mask an just tell him "the tests are not reliable. Since three days all my tests show positive, but I don't feel ill. Everything is fake" xD that face Long text, short said: If you live in a society that cares for you, you should care for that society too. Peace!

adriancr 5y ago

She should face manslaugter charges for the 3 that died...

theGeatZhopa 5y ago
It will be like that. She already did an disclosure because of the faked papers, but still trying to argument like it's not my fault they got infected. Let's see if there are some contacts of the other co-workers/coworkers by them selves, who have been infected before the infections of the elderly started xD Her problem is, every company should take notes of the results of testing of employees for the infection. Especially in that very sensitive area working with "elderly patients", if the companies don't take notes, they can be held responsible. The police already said, the employer didn't show any misbehaving on that matter xD Such a egoistic person. Should be sentenced for that.