> I will say that as an outsider, the Bay and San Francisco often seem to get conflated when people discuss them. Yes, from an outside perspective SF and South

> I will say that as an outsider, the Bay and San Francisco often seem to get conflated when people discuss them. Yes, from an outside perspective SF and South Bay (clasically Silicon Valley proper, though in the last decade many companies have settled in SF) are mingled together. I know I used to say "SF" when I meant the Bay Area, before I lived here. But SF is about an hour north (or way more if traffic is bad) from the classic Silicon Valley. And a very different place with its own unique problems. I go to SF once a year or less and it always feels like an alien place. The rest of the Bay Area is still mostly pretty great, if you can somehow deal with the expense. Source: Just my observations, closing in on 25 years living in Silicon Valley.