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>There is an annoying trend among people that expect everything to be perfectly safe. It seems to be a symptom of an overly sheltered existence. Yeah, how over

>There is an annoying trend among people that expect everything to be perfectly safe. It seems to be a symptom of an overly sheltered existence. Yeah, how overly sheltered to not expect your headphones to not catch on fire and kill you. It's a symptom of not believing when someone pisses in our eyes and tells us it's raining. Especially when it's happening on our own dime. >Nothing is perfectly safe, that is how lithium batteries fail. Then lithium batteries should be banned from headphones. >You should know so you can properly deal with problems. Good point! And where would the customer learn about this? From HackerNews? Last time I checked, Bose devices didn't come with a self-combustion warning. And until they do, my point applies.

colechristensen 5y ago
A consumer would learn this by having interest in the world around them and how it works beyond being slapped in the face with every warning possible (I’m looking at you, literally everything in the world which is known in the state of California to cause cancer). We don’t need cushioned guard rails on literally everything. When was the last time you actually read a product manual? Many of them actually are full of warnings about how things fail. I have no idea about Bose headphones, I definitely threw away everything but the headphones immediately. No we should not ban everything that doesn’t have a zero percent fault rate. This weird angry response is a symptom of this sheltered fear which comes from not understanding that the world isn’t ever going to be perfect. You make really bad decisions when you’re in denial about the impossibility of safety perfection.
- romwell 5y ago
  >A consumer would learn this by having interest in the world around them And where would they go to fulfil that interest? HackerNews? Or maybe, just consider it, the instruction manual that comes with the device? >We don’t need cushioned guard rails on literally everything. Sure. Just labels on self-exploding products saying that they may self-explode. >When was the last time you actually read a product manual? Yesterday. I got an Ikea ENEBY speaker. Your ignorance and lack of having interest in the world around you, which includes product manuals, is on you.
  - colechristensen 5y ago
    From the Bose QC-35 manual "Remove headphones immediately if you experience a warming sensation or loss of audio." [1] Probably could use a few more words for good measure. Also, they do not explode. Explode has a specific meaning. Lithium batteries experiencing thermal runaway get rather hot and then burn quite vigorously, but they do not explode. 1. https://assets.bose.com/content/dam/Bose_DAM/Web/consumer_electronics/global/products/headphones/qc35_ii/PDF/811772_og_quietcomfort-35-wireless-ii_en.pdf https://assets.bose.com/content/dam/Bose_DAM/Web/consumer_el...
    - sleepyxuras91 5y ago
      Interesting it also says it shouldn't be connected to a Airplane Seat Adapter yet I'm sure my QC 35'S came with a airplane adapter. Wonder what happened there.
      - romwell 5y ago
        "We know our product is unsafe and shouldn't be used in this way, but this is a huuuuge use case for our product, so we will make it appear as if it's designed for it, while warning the user to not use it in a manner that they bought the product for. Genius!"
    - romwell 5y ago
      >"Remove headphones immediately if you experience a warming sensation or loss of audio." A "warming sensation" is not what the OP has experienced. When Bose augments this to the following, you may have a point: >Remove headphones immediately if they spontaneously ignite and start emanating smoke and hazardous chemicals that cause chemical burns to your skin. Failure to do so may result in death. Rinse all exposed skin with running cold water immediately, and see a medical professional ASAP in such case. You seem to have no problem with this scenario actually happening to someone, so there should be absolutely no reason not to have it in the same manual in these exact words.
      - stordoff 5y ago
kome 5y ago
> Yeah, how overly sheltered to not expect your headphones to not catch on fire and kill you. It's a symptom of not believing when someone pisses in our eyes and tells us it's raining. Especially when it's happening on our own dime. I agree with the feeling, but flammable batteries are one of the less risky and stupid thing humans are doing. I mean, we are literally littering the sky with swarms of useless satellites for the rich hikers in the global north (one example among many of totally idiotic behavior) - I can live with batteries. (btw. I don't even have a smartphone or a cellphone in general, i know i'm a bit of a radical - and i use only wired stuff, because i find it more practical, durable and ecological - point is, people accept very stupid stuff for their convenience, that's why we are slowly killing our planet and ourselves - your points are valid, but it won't deter people from using dangerous chemicals in their lives, and the throwing them away and poison nature and themsleves)
- BenjiWiebe 5y ago
  I'm genuinely curious. Which satellites are you referring to?
  - kome 5y ago
    Starlink, Project Kuiper, etc. where they plan to send more than 12,000 satellites into space, for having wi-fi on earth (for those who can afford it, it's very expensive, 500 usd setup + 100 usd per month - not affordable for 90% of the world) but they are ruining the sky for 100% of us, for the benefit of some rich techbro that want to check emails in some remote place.
    - BenjiWiebe 5y ago
      I see. I don't live in a remote place at all (central USA), but Starlink is far better internet than anything else we can get. Currently our connection speed is 0.6 Mbps. It's supposed to be 10, but they have problems pretty often...
bserge 5y ago
No one's saying they shouldn't get compensation from the manufacturer. Such an expensive pair of headphones should maybe even have the battery in a special housing, so it vents outside in the rare worst case. But for fuck's sake, ban lithium from headphones? Same idiotic shit like banning cars on roads because some kill people. I had a vaper that vented its battery. It got too hot to hold so I put it down and it turned into a smoke grenade lol. It would been bad if it was in my pocket. Also had a Sony Ericsson phone's battery swell up enough to break it a long time ago. But it didn't vent. Quality design on that cell!
kybernetyk 5y ago
>Yeah, how overly sheltered to not expect your headphones to not catch on fire and kill you Very. In the end you're carrying a high energy density power source on your head that would love to just catch fire. Don't they teach kids anything in chemistry these days?
- romwell 5y ago
  >Very. In the end you're carrying a high energy density power source on your head that would love to just catch fire. Don't they teach kids anything in chemistry these days? I just love how this comment appears in the same thread as this one: >That sort of paranoia doesn't help. In fact it may cause psychosomatic symptoms (nocebo effect). Anyway, if it's common knowledge, there's no harm to put a big label warning about it on the instruction manual, right? Last time I checked, passing chemistry isn't a requirement for purchasing Bose QuietComfort 35 II headphones, which spontaneously catch fire and cause chemical burns.
  - krisoft 5y ago
    > I just love how this comment appears in the same thread as this one Yes. One says “yes lipo batteries can have thermal runaway” and the other comment says “don’t twist yourself into knots by worrying over this one time bad exposure”. They talk about two different things in two different way. Your comment makes it sound as if they are somehow contradicting each other? They don’t.
jacquesm 5y ago
Nobody got killed, there did you get that from?
- hatware 5y ago
  Being dramatic is not helping their case.

colechristensen 5y ago

A consumer would learn this by having interest in the world around them and how it works beyond being slapped in the face with every warning possible (I’m looking at you, literally everything in the world which is known in the state of California to cause cancer). We don’t need cushioned guard rails on literally everything. When was the last time you actually read a product manual? Many of them actually are full of warnings about how things fail. I have no idea about Bose headphones, I definitely threw away everything but the headphones immediately. No we should not ban everything that doesn’t have a zero percent fault rate. This weird angry response is a symptom of this sheltered fear which comes from not understanding that the world isn’t ever going to be perfect. You make really bad decisions when you’re in denial about the impossibility of safety perfection.

romwell 5y ago
>A consumer would learn this by having interest in the world around them And where would they go to fulfil that interest? HackerNews? Or maybe, just consider it, the instruction manual that comes with the device? >We don’t need cushioned guard rails on literally everything. Sure. Just labels on self-exploding products saying that they may self-explode. >When was the last time you actually read a product manual? Yesterday. I got an Ikea ENEBY speaker. Your ignorance and lack of having interest in the world around you, which includes product manuals, is on you.
- colechristensen 5y ago
  From the Bose QC-35 manual "Remove headphones immediately if you experience a warming sensation or loss of audio." [1] Probably could use a few more words for good measure. Also, they do not explode. Explode has a specific meaning. Lithium batteries experiencing thermal runaway get rather hot and then burn quite vigorously, but they do not explode. 1. https://assets.bose.com/content/dam/Bose_DAM/Web/consumer_electronics/global/products/headphones/qc35_ii/PDF/811772_og_quietcomfort-35-wireless-ii_en.pdf https://assets.bose.com/content/dam/Bose_DAM/Web/consumer_el...
  - sleepyxuras91 5y ago
    Interesting it also says it shouldn't be connected to a Airplane Seat Adapter yet I'm sure my QC 35'S came with a airplane adapter. Wonder what happened there.
    - romwell 5y ago
      "We know our product is unsafe and shouldn't be used in this way, but this is a huuuuge use case for our product, so we will make it appear as if it's designed for it, while warning the user to not use it in a manner that they bought the product for. Genius!"
  - romwell 5y ago
    >"Remove headphones immediately if you experience a warming sensation or loss of audio." A "warming sensation" is not what the OP has experienced. When Bose augments this to the following, you may have a point: >Remove headphones immediately if they spontaneously ignite and start emanating smoke and hazardous chemicals that cause chemical burns to your skin. Failure to do so may result in death. Rinse all exposed skin with running cold water immediately, and see a medical professional ASAP in such case. You seem to have no problem with this scenario actually happening to someone, so there should be absolutely no reason not to have it in the same manual in these exact words.
    - stordoff 5y ago

kome 5y ago

> Yeah, how overly sheltered to not expect your headphones to not catch on fire and kill you. It's a symptom of not believing when someone pisses in our eyes and tells us it's raining. Especially when it's happening on our own dime. I agree with the feeling, but flammable batteries are one of the less risky and stupid thing humans are doing. I mean, we are literally littering the sky with swarms of useless satellites for the rich hikers in the global north (one example among many of totally idiotic behavior) - I can live with batteries. (btw. I don't even have a smartphone or a cellphone in general, i know i'm a bit of a radical - and i use only wired stuff, because i find it more practical, durable and ecological - point is, people accept very stupid stuff for their convenience, that's why we are slowly killing our planet and ourselves - your points are valid, but it won't deter people from using dangerous chemicals in their lives, and the throwing them away and poison nature and themsleves)

BenjiWiebe 5y ago
I'm genuinely curious. Which satellites are you referring to?
- kome 5y ago
  Starlink, Project Kuiper, etc. where they plan to send more than 12,000 satellites into space, for having wi-fi on earth (for those who can afford it, it's very expensive, 500 usd setup + 100 usd per month - not affordable for 90% of the world) but they are ruining the sky for 100% of us, for the benefit of some rich techbro that want to check emails in some remote place.
  - BenjiWiebe 5y ago
    I see. I don't live in a remote place at all (central USA), but Starlink is far better internet than anything else we can get. Currently our connection speed is 0.6 Mbps. It's supposed to be 10, but they have problems pretty often...

bserge 5y ago

No one's saying they shouldn't get compensation from the manufacturer. Such an expensive pair of headphones should maybe even have the battery in a special housing, so it vents outside in the rare worst case. But for fuck's sake, ban lithium from headphones? Same idiotic shit like banning cars on roads because some kill people. I had a vaper that vented its battery. It got too hot to hold so I put it down and it turned into a smoke grenade lol. It would been bad if it was in my pocket. Also had a Sony Ericsson phone's battery swell up enough to break it a long time ago. But it didn't vent. Quality design on that cell!

kybernetyk 5y ago

>Yeah, how overly sheltered to not expect your headphones to not catch on fire and kill you Very. In the end you're carrying a high energy density power source on your head that would love to just catch fire. Don't they teach kids anything in chemistry these days?

romwell 5y ago
>Very. In the end you're carrying a high energy density power source on your head that would love to just catch fire. Don't they teach kids anything in chemistry these days? I just love how this comment appears in the same thread as this one: >That sort of paranoia doesn't help. In fact it may cause psychosomatic symptoms (nocebo effect). Anyway, if it's common knowledge, there's no harm to put a big label warning about it on the instruction manual, right? Last time I checked, passing chemistry isn't a requirement for purchasing Bose QuietComfort 35 II headphones, which spontaneously catch fire and cause chemical burns.
- krisoft 5y ago
  > I just love how this comment appears in the same thread as this one Yes. One says “yes lipo batteries can have thermal runaway” and the other comment says “don’t twist yourself into knots by worrying over this one time bad exposure”. They talk about two different things in two different way. Your comment makes it sound as if they are somehow contradicting each other? They don’t.

jacquesm 5y ago

Nobody got killed, there did you get that from?

hatware 5y ago
Being dramatic is not helping their case.