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yes? products should be designed so that they do not kill anyone?

nine_k 5y ago
You will not be able to produce a hammer (can by mistake crush a skull), or a ball pen (can pierce the chest and reach the heart in a fall), or a bottle of water (one can choke on the water). Nothing is perfectly safe. People should deal with it, and remember that they don't live in a fairy tale.
- romwell 5y ago
  >Nothing is perfectly safe. People should deal with it, and remember that they don't live in a fairy tale. Including the business of selling self-exploding headphones. Corporations should deal with it, and remember that they don't live in a fairy tale where they can pull off shit like that off without consequence. Can't make safe headphones? Leave it to someone who can. Free market or something. (In case you're not getting it, it's not about living in fairy tales, it's about increasing the cost of failure to corporations to a high enough point that they will put some money into safety instead of pocketing it.)
  - fastball 5y ago
    How exactly would you develop headphones that are hardened against high energy particles from space? NASA has a hard time doing this for their vehicles that are intended to be in deep space.
    - nine_k 5y ago
      A better design could be such that remains safe (even if functionally degraded) when hit with a burst of cosmic rays. Whether it can be done within the constraints of mass, volume, and expense that keep the headphones competitive is another (hard) question.
- ImprobableTruth 5y ago
  This is absurd. There's a world of difference between an object that you can kill yourself with or an object that just randomly kills you.
  - nine_k 5y ago
    This particular Bose model is pretty popular, and has been produced for many years. I hope statistics exist on how many of them burst into flames. I'd like to compare it to the number of people who choked on a cereal breakfast, or fell from a stairway at home, or other such random accidents with normally benign things. I suspect that the headphones will be no worse than many other common household items, including the low-tech ones.

You will not be able to produce a hammer (can by mistake crush a skull), or a ball pen (can pierce the chest and reach the heart in a fall), or a bottle of water (one can choke on the water). Nothing is perfectly safe. People should deal with it, and remember that they don't live in a fairy tale.

romwell 5y ago
>Nothing is perfectly safe. People should deal with it, and remember that they don't live in a fairy tale. Including the business of selling self-exploding headphones. Corporations should deal with it, and remember that they don't live in a fairy tale where they can pull off shit like that off without consequence. Can't make safe headphones? Leave it to someone who can. Free market or something. (In case you're not getting it, it's not about living in fairy tales, it's about increasing the cost of failure to corporations to a high enough point that they will put some money into safety instead of pocketing it.)
- fastball 5y ago
  How exactly would you develop headphones that are hardened against high energy particles from space? NASA has a hard time doing this for their vehicles that are intended to be in deep space.
  - nine_k 5y ago
    A better design could be such that remains safe (even if functionally degraded) when hit with a burst of cosmic rays. Whether it can be done within the constraints of mass, volume, and expense that keep the headphones competitive is another (hard) question.
ImprobableTruth 5y ago
This is absurd. There's a world of difference between an object that you can kill yourself with or an object that just randomly kills you.
- nine_k 5y ago
  This particular Bose model is pretty popular, and has been produced for many years. I hope statistics exist on how many of them burst into flames. I'd like to compare it to the number of people who choked on a cereal breakfast, or fell from a stairway at home, or other such random accidents with normally benign things. I suspect that the headphones will be no worse than many other common household items, including the low-tech ones.