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If Omicron is more infectious to the vaccinated than not vaccinated, that would be super ironic wouldn't it be. Would scientists even admit that. Here's the go

If Omicron is more infectious to the vaccinated than not vaccinated, that would be super ironic wouldn't it be. Would scientists even admit that. Here's the governments own data for ontario. https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data?fbclid=IwAR2pRUq9GN9EEoDTm0OetspYalQy0Otcc41JS6b-L9BnzLOdhl1eZ1L4FHg https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data?fbclid=IwAR2pRUq9GN9EEoDTm0... If you scroll to the second graph and select 7 days and cases. You will see 2022 cases for the vaccinated, and 778 for the unvaccinated. With the slopes diverging out.

senectus1 5y ago
> If Omicron is more infectious to the vaccinated than not vaccinated, that would be super ironic wouldn't it be. Would scientists even admit that. No that would be by design. particularly if Omicron really is milder to the unvaccinated as well. (that is still an IF). all those vaccinated people will be at the leading edge of the fight to make Omicron the dominant if not the only version of the virus. They will have been a strong wind behind the evolution to "flu like" alterations... Still go an get vaccinated, Still go and get your boosters. You can't leave this to nature, because nature is constantly trying to kill you. There is not "mother earth" or Gaia... there is only the on-going war that is life. Everything competing to eat or out compete each other for resources to make sure their offspring get to fight the same fight.
- dukeofdoom 5y ago
  The idea of getting more people sick, seems counter intuitive as a goal of a vaccine. Correct me if I'm misreading your comment. Scientists made a vaccine that was by "design" to get: a) "more people sick with new milder variants." b) "more people sick with stronger variants" You're claiming a) if it turns out true. b) makes no sense as a vaccination goal. a) really seems unethical gamble if it turns it's false and we end up with b)
  - perl4ever 5y ago
    Maybe the result (a) is intended and expected, but is not literally "by design" in that there was no other known way to design it.
Ancapistani 5y ago
Omicron is still being found in first-generation infected - those who have traveled internationally, and are therefore much more likely to have been vaccinated. I’m extremely distrustful of the prevailing wisdom on this topic, and have not been vaccinated myself; that doesn’t prevent me from being honest in my analysis. There is some hope that Omicron will be less severe than the variants that it is displacing, but we won’t have enough data to be confident in that assertion for another week or two at the earliest. It will be at January before we have an idea how effective vaccine-based immunity is in relation to infection-acquired immunity. We have nothing resembling a representative sample of the general population yet.

senectus1 5y ago

> If Omicron is more infectious to the vaccinated than not vaccinated, that would be super ironic wouldn't it be. Would scientists even admit that. No that would be by design. particularly if Omicron really is milder to the unvaccinated as well. (that is still an IF). all those vaccinated people will be at the leading edge of the fight to make Omicron the dominant if not the only version of the virus. They will have been a strong wind behind the evolution to "flu like" alterations... Still go an get vaccinated, Still go and get your boosters. You can't leave this to nature, because nature is constantly trying to kill you. There is not "mother earth" or Gaia... there is only the on-going war that is life. Everything competing to eat or out compete each other for resources to make sure their offspring get to fight the same fight.

dukeofdoom 5y ago
The idea of getting more people sick, seems counter intuitive as a goal of a vaccine. Correct me if I'm misreading your comment. Scientists made a vaccine that was by "design" to get: a) "more people sick with new milder variants." b) "more people sick with stronger variants" You're claiming a) if it turns out true. b) makes no sense as a vaccination goal. a) really seems unethical gamble if it turns it's false and we end up with b)
- perl4ever 5y ago
  Maybe the result (a) is intended and expected, but is not literally "by design" in that there was no other known way to design it.

Ancapistani 5y ago

Omicron is still being found in first-generation infected - those who have traveled internationally, and are therefore much more likely to have been vaccinated. I’m extremely distrustful of the prevailing wisdom on this topic, and have not been vaccinated myself; that doesn’t prevent me from being honest in my analysis. There is some hope that Omicron will be less severe than the variants that it is displacing, but we won’t have enough data to be confident in that assertion for another week or two at the earliest. It will be at January before we have an idea how effective vaccine-based immunity is in relation to infection-acquired immunity. We have nothing resembling a representative sample of the general population yet.