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Vaccines for covid are only for lessening the severity. Prevention is widely known not effective for covid vaccines. This is why almost all health professional

Vaccines for covid are only for lessening the severity. Prevention is widely known not effective for covid vaccines. This is why almost all health professional stop using the phrase "herd immunity". At this stage it is better for everyone to just move on. There will always be people who differ opinions. If they opt to have higher risk of dying from covid and we ourselves have already been jabbed, I think no point to be fixated on it forcing people to do so. There are more people dying from lung cancer, hypertensions, heart attack, diabetes, etc. None bother to address cigs, sugary drinks, overeating as zealously as covid vaccinations. BTW, expect jabbing to be done annually. Your triple jabs are just the "beginning" of the norm.

steve_coral 5y ago
Yeah I mean the flu we experience yearly is “descended” from the Spanish Flu but we don’t require flu passports to get a coffee. Eventually (I hope) the madness will subside. Forcing people to get vaccines will only result in contrarian noncompliance due to the peculiarities of the American psyche. We are much better off in the long run investing in universal health care and increasing access but that’s a non-starter in our political climate
- perl4ever 5y ago
  I am prepared to submit to authority, even on life and death matters, as long as there is a self-consistent message that I can in principle believe. I'm struggling with the internal contradictions of saying we have a life and death situation where every non-essential office worker must wear a mask at their desk but we can't go back to full time telecommuting. If our dear leader feels there are essential workers needed, I am willing to serve and wear a mask. If she feels that we need to be in the office, and the risk is not that great, I'm willing to do that. If she feels that the risk is high and rising and we should be telecommuting, then I'm ok with that. But don't tell us that we're non-essential and we have to be in the office and we have to wear masks when alone at our desks. Logic dictates a maximum of two out of three.
- petre 5y ago
  > Forcing people to get vaccines will only result in contrarian noncompliance due to the peculiarities of the American psyche In my country most non compliance is due to lack of confidence in authorities and passive aggresive behaviour. People would rather believe all sorts of mumbo jumbo than get vaccinated. Anyway, I feel like vaccine mandates and the green pass only further divides society and after we get rid of the pandemic we'll be stuck with a fascism epidemic. I'm triple vaccinated and somehow managed to avoid getting infected so far.
atty 5y ago
This is incorrect. The vaccine also provides protection from contracting the disease. This has been known to be true for at least the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines since this Spring, when the first big population studies came in. The efficacy varies based on the variant and the length of time since last vaccine/booster. And the reason people have stopped talking so much about herd immunity is because Covid is becoming endemic. However, in such a situation, vaccines are just as important, even if herd immunity can’t be achieved anymore. That’s for protection of the individual, the immunocompromised in the community, the population as a whole, and to keep the healthcare system functioning.
- redis_mlc 5y ago
  > This is incorrect. The vaccine also provides protection from contracting the disease. No, it doesn't. Vaccinated people get sick every day from corona, and they can also spread it - they're called "breakthrough infections." See the link below. > That’s for protection of the individual, the immunocompromised in the community, the population as a whole, and to keep the healthcare system functioning. Why are you spouting horseshit? You sound like those lying, fat chicks on the View. Are you by any chance getting your "info" from Fauci or cnn? "COVID-19 breakthrough hospitalizations: Who gets sick when vaccines don’t work?" https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/12/17/covid-19-breakthrough-hospitalizations-who-gets-sick-when-vaccines-dont-work/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/12/17/covid-19-breakthrough...

steve_coral 5y ago

Yeah I mean the flu we experience yearly is “descended” from the Spanish Flu but we don’t require flu passports to get a coffee. Eventually (I hope) the madness will subside. Forcing people to get vaccines will only result in contrarian noncompliance due to the peculiarities of the American psyche. We are much better off in the long run investing in universal health care and increasing access but that’s a non-starter in our political climate

perl4ever 5y ago
I am prepared to submit to authority, even on life and death matters, as long as there is a self-consistent message that I can in principle believe. I'm struggling with the internal contradictions of saying we have a life and death situation where every non-essential office worker must wear a mask at their desk but we can't go back to full time telecommuting. If our dear leader feels there are essential workers needed, I am willing to serve and wear a mask. If she feels that we need to be in the office, and the risk is not that great, I'm willing to do that. If she feels that the risk is high and rising and we should be telecommuting, then I'm ok with that. But don't tell us that we're non-essential and we have to be in the office and we have to wear masks when alone at our desks. Logic dictates a maximum of two out of three.
petre 5y ago
> Forcing people to get vaccines will only result in contrarian noncompliance due to the peculiarities of the American psyche In my country most non compliance is due to lack of confidence in authorities and passive aggresive behaviour. People would rather believe all sorts of mumbo jumbo than get vaccinated. Anyway, I feel like vaccine mandates and the green pass only further divides society and after we get rid of the pandemic we'll be stuck with a fascism epidemic. I'm triple vaccinated and somehow managed to avoid getting infected so far.

atty 5y ago

This is incorrect. The vaccine also provides protection from contracting the disease. This has been known to be true for at least the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines since this Spring, when the first big population studies came in. The efficacy varies based on the variant and the length of time since last vaccine/booster. And the reason people have stopped talking so much about herd immunity is because Covid is becoming endemic. However, in such a situation, vaccines are just as important, even if herd immunity can’t be achieved anymore. That’s for protection of the individual, the immunocompromised in the community, the population as a whole, and to keep the healthcare system functioning.

redis_mlc 5y ago
> This is incorrect. The vaccine also provides protection from contracting the disease. No, it doesn't. Vaccinated people get sick every day from corona, and they can also spread it - they're called "breakthrough infections." See the link below. > That’s for protection of the individual, the immunocompromised in the community, the population as a whole, and to keep the healthcare system functioning. Why are you spouting horseshit? You sound like those lying, fat chicks on the View. Are you by any chance getting your "info" from Fauci or cnn? "COVID-19 breakthrough hospitalizations: Who gets sick when vaccines don’t work?" https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/12/17/covid-19-breakthrough-hospitalizations-who-gets-sick-when-vaccines-dont-work/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/12/17/covid-19-breakthrough...