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There is a "data minig" exception from copyright law, saying that you can use any available code to feed your AI and don't have respect the license. And the out

There is a "data minig" exception from copyright law, saying that you can use any available code to feed your AI and don't have respect the license. And the output of your AI is yours. So TikTok could claim they either use Copilot, which was fed OBS source, or that they created their own private AI similar to Copilot. Microsoft showed the way. It hasn't been tested at court AFAIK, but if a company can use this defense to protect their profits, for sure they will try.

mewse 5y ago
Is there? Can you point it out to me? I’ve looked, but haven’t been able to find it. I imagine it’d be somewhere on this page, in section 107 or later [0], but I haven’t actually found a clause which looks like it either has the intent or side-effect of making “data minig” exempt from having to obey copyright requirements. [0]: https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107
- seanhunter 5y ago
  In the UK there is a data mining exemption to copyright for non-commercial research if you otherwise have "lawful access" to the work [1] but it clearly wouldn't cover something like copilot and just allows you to build the model. It doesn't give you a copyright exemption if the outputs of the model would otherwise be infringing on the copyright of the input material.[2] [1] https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exceptions-to-copyright#text-and-data-mining-for-non-commercial-research https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exceptions-to-copyright#text-and... [2] That is to say it is not mentioned, and to give you such an exemption it would need to be mentioned. Hasn't been tested in court either as far as I am aware
- trickstra 5y ago
  It's literally the first search result for "data mining exception": https://www.copyrightuser.org/understand/exceptions/text-data-mining/ https://www.copyrightuser.org/understand/exceptions/text-dat... This is about EU and UK, but think about it, Microsoft Copilot is already doing it, and so far it seems like they will get away with it. So if feeding an open source code into AI and then using the output in a proprietary application is illegal in the US, then Copilot must be illegal. According to wikipedia in the US it falls under fair use because it is "transformative" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_mining#Situation_in_the_United_States_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_mining#Situation_in_the_U... however Copilot has been seen producing verbatim blocks of code matching some open source projects and so far no legal problems. Why couldn't TikTok claim the same?
grayfaced 5y ago
Local exceptions are a bad bet when dealing with global distribution.
- trickstra 5y ago
  I really don't think Microsoft Copilot is relying on a local exception.
  - grayfaced 5y ago
    The legal exception is only in a couple jurisdictions, most of the world they'd still be liable.

mewse 5y ago

Is there? Can you point it out to me? I’ve looked, but haven’t been able to find it. I imagine it’d be somewhere on this page, in section 107 or later [0], but I haven’t actually found a clause which looks like it either has the intent or side-effect of making “data minig” exempt from having to obey copyright requirements. [0]: https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107

seanhunter 5y ago
In the UK there is a data mining exemption to copyright for non-commercial research if you otherwise have "lawful access" to the work [1] but it clearly wouldn't cover something like copilot and just allows you to build the model. It doesn't give you a copyright exemption if the outputs of the model would otherwise be infringing on the copyright of the input material.[2] [1] https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exceptions-to-copyright#text-and-data-mining-for-non-commercial-research https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exceptions-to-copyright#text-and... [2] That is to say it is not mentioned, and to give you such an exemption it would need to be mentioned. Hasn't been tested in court either as far as I am aware
trickstra 5y ago
It's literally the first search result for "data mining exception": https://www.copyrightuser.org/understand/exceptions/text-data-mining/ https://www.copyrightuser.org/understand/exceptions/text-dat... This is about EU and UK, but think about it, Microsoft Copilot is already doing it, and so far it seems like they will get away with it. So if feeding an open source code into AI and then using the output in a proprietary application is illegal in the US, then Copilot must be illegal. According to wikipedia in the US it falls under fair use because it is "transformative" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_mining#Situation_in_the_United_States_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_mining#Situation_in_the_U... however Copilot has been seen producing verbatim blocks of code matching some open source projects and so far no legal problems. Why couldn't TikTok claim the same?

grayfaced 5y ago

Local exceptions are a bad bet when dealing with global distribution.

trickstra 5y ago
I really don't think Microsoft Copilot is relying on a local exception.
- grayfaced 5y ago
  The legal exception is only in a couple jurisdictions, most of the world they'd still be liable.