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And they have the (supposedly former) colonies providing nuclear fuel at the cost of protecting their environment and population. And abundant rivers with to co

And they have the (supposedly former) colonies providing nuclear fuel at the cost of protecting their environment and population. And abundant rivers with to cool down the reactors and destroy their local ecosystems. And very collaborative national media outlets who mostly don't cover the nuclear scandals due to being owned by Bouygues (french multinational well-known for telecoms but who also does a fair share of public construction including on the famous EPR) or by the french State. Cozy situation!

Kuinox 5y ago
*Citation & sources needed.
- southerntofu 5y ago
  And they have the (supposedly former) colonies providing nuclear fuel at the cost of protecting their environment and population. [0] And abundant rivers with to cool down the reactors and destroy their local ecosystems. [1] And very collaborative national media outlets who mostly don't cover the nuclear scandals due to being owned by Bouygues [2] (french multinational well-known for telecoms but who also does a fair share of public construction including on the famous EPR [3]) or by the french State [4]. Some additions: - misleading/missing news reports on nuclear topics was covered by the 2012 documentary "Les nouveaux chiens de garde" [5] (the new watchdogs) about media corruption and disinformation: they went through two days worth of news broadcast on two TV channels to compare how was presented (or not) the fact that Bouygues had major engineering failures on the EPR construction - the french government has a history of repression against ecological/anti-nuclear movements, ranging from the murder in 1977 of Vital Michalon by police forces [6] during an anti-nuclear protest, to the harassment and military (gendarmerie) occupation of Bure (Meuse) and surrounding villages, including dozens of house searches, a bunch of prison sentences, and an ongoing investigation of eco-anarchists for "criminal association" [7] - and don't even get me started on how to (not) deconstruct those facilities [8] [0] https://www.pambazuka.org/governance/french-nuclear-power-fed-uranium-niger https://www.pambazuka.org/governance/french-nuclear-power-fe... [1] http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2019/ph241/clark1/ http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2019/ph241/clark1/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TF1_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TF1_Group ; also see previous addition about TF1's non-coverage of EPR-related incidents [3] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9acteur_pressuris%C3%A9_europ%C3%A9en https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9acteur_pressuris%C3%A9_... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_T%C3%A9l%C3%A9visions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_T%C3%A9l%C3%A9visions - no specific source about "censorship" of nuclear incidents, however there is a strong and documented history of firing journalists and humorists who are too critical of the french State and corporations, and of self-censorship ; see also acrimed.org (french only sorry) [5] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Nouveaux_Chiens_de_garde_(film) https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Nouveaux_Chiens_de_garde_(... [6] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vital_Michalon https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vital_Michalon [7] https://bureburebure.info/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/EN-Bure-History-and-context.pdf https://bureburebure.info/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/EN-Bure... [8] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29600399 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29600399
  - Glawen 5y ago
    France is bad, controls Africa and is responsible for everything going bad there. Yeah I've heard that already.
    - southerntofu 5y ago
      > France is bad That fact is indisputable. The history of France is that of colonization, military repression, political police and suppression of local cultures. > controls Africa and is responsible for everything going bad there Not all of Africa, and large swaths of the french Empire are currently "threatened" by Chinese neocolonialism. Since the death of "Monsieur Afrique" [0] and the many Bolloré scandals, France's ability to corrupt and murder african officials has arguably diminished. Also worth noting that the new generations in French-dominated Africa are growing a revolt against neocolonial exploitation. For example, the money France prints to keep a dozen countries in check economically has been at the center of widespread protests these past years, to the point Macron had to abandon it... to announce in the same sentence that from his throne he'll replace it with a new money called Eco (how ironic). [2] [0] Jacques Foccart famously oversaw African exploitation under all governments from De Gaulle to Chiraq over several decades. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFA_franc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFA_franc [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco_(currency) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco_(currency)
  - Kuinox 5y ago
    You are nitpicking examples thats follow what you think, and is typical for someone highly biaised. On [0], you take one example, while forgotting to says thats the majority of nuclear fuel come from developed country (Canada, Russia, Australia). On [1] you take an Americain study, and you somehow forget to says that french nuclear reactor have a heating limit of the water to avoid these issues. On [2], simple counterexample: https://www.lci.fr/international/centrale-de-taishan-l-histoire-mouvementee-de-l-epr-fleuron-du-nucleaire-francais-2188781.html https://www.lci.fr/international/centrale-de-taishan-l-histo... Didn't watched [5], no opinions. [6] was 40 years ago, like you said. [7] Higly biaised source. [8] Yes it looks like you don't know what you are talking about, so let's not talk about it. There has been multiple dismantled nuclear plants, and you love forgetting about it.
uranius 5y ago
I don't understand the point about nuclear fuel. The whole reason France went nuclear is to have energy independence, because you can source uranium from pretty much anywhere (unlike fossil fuels). The largest exporters of uranium in the world are Kazakhstan, Canada and Australia. Those aren't former French colonies. But, yes, there are also countries in Africa that export uranium, but that's the point; if you look at a map of uranium reserves you'll find it's pretty much all over the world (and not really that much in Africa, actually).
- southerntofu 5y ago
  To my (limited) knowledge 100% of nuclear fuel used by French nuclear facilities comes from former french colonies in Africa, although french companies (Areva) are involved in uranium exploitation in other parts of the world as well. I'm not saying french (neo-)colonies are the only place to get uranium from. I'm saying it's very cozy to have the dictators your colonial secret services set up over the years provide you with cheap resources.

Kuinox 5y ago

*Citation & sources needed.

southerntofu 5y ago
And they have the (supposedly former) colonies providing nuclear fuel at the cost of protecting their environment and population. [0] And abundant rivers with to cool down the reactors and destroy their local ecosystems. [1] And very collaborative national media outlets who mostly don't cover the nuclear scandals due to being owned by Bouygues [2] (french multinational well-known for telecoms but who also does a fair share of public construction including on the famous EPR [3]) or by the french State [4]. Some additions: - misleading/missing news reports on nuclear topics was covered by the 2012 documentary "Les nouveaux chiens de garde" [5] (the new watchdogs) about media corruption and disinformation: they went through two days worth of news broadcast on two TV channels to compare how was presented (or not) the fact that Bouygues had major engineering failures on the EPR construction - the french government has a history of repression against ecological/anti-nuclear movements, ranging from the murder in 1977 of Vital Michalon by police forces [6] during an anti-nuclear protest, to the harassment and military (gendarmerie) occupation of Bure (Meuse) and surrounding villages, including dozens of house searches, a bunch of prison sentences, and an ongoing investigation of eco-anarchists for "criminal association" [7] - and don't even get me started on how to (not) deconstruct those facilities [8] [0] https://www.pambazuka.org/governance/french-nuclear-power-fed-uranium-niger https://www.pambazuka.org/governance/french-nuclear-power-fe... [1] http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2019/ph241/clark1/ http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2019/ph241/clark1/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TF1_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TF1_Group ; also see previous addition about TF1's non-coverage of EPR-related incidents [3] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9acteur_pressuris%C3%A9_europ%C3%A9en https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9acteur_pressuris%C3%A9_... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_T%C3%A9l%C3%A9visions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_T%C3%A9l%C3%A9visions - no specific source about "censorship" of nuclear incidents, however there is a strong and documented history of firing journalists and humorists who are too critical of the french State and corporations, and of self-censorship ; see also acrimed.org (french only sorry) [5] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Nouveaux_Chiens_de_garde_(film) https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Nouveaux_Chiens_de_garde_(... [6] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vital_Michalon https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vital_Michalon [7] https://bureburebure.info/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/EN-Bure-History-and-context.pdf https://bureburebure.info/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/EN-Bure... [8] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29600399 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29600399
- Glawen 5y ago
  France is bad, controls Africa and is responsible for everything going bad there. Yeah I've heard that already.
  - southerntofu 5y ago
    > France is bad That fact is indisputable. The history of France is that of colonization, military repression, political police and suppression of local cultures. > controls Africa and is responsible for everything going bad there Not all of Africa, and large swaths of the french Empire are currently "threatened" by Chinese neocolonialism. Since the death of "Monsieur Afrique" [0] and the many Bolloré scandals, France's ability to corrupt and murder african officials has arguably diminished. Also worth noting that the new generations in French-dominated Africa are growing a revolt against neocolonial exploitation. For example, the money France prints to keep a dozen countries in check economically has been at the center of widespread protests these past years, to the point Macron had to abandon it... to announce in the same sentence that from his throne he'll replace it with a new money called Eco (how ironic). [2] [0] Jacques Foccart famously oversaw African exploitation under all governments from De Gaulle to Chiraq over several decades. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFA_franc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFA_franc [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco_(currency) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco_(currency)
- Kuinox 5y ago
  You are nitpicking examples thats follow what you think, and is typical for someone highly biaised. On [0], you take one example, while forgotting to says thats the majority of nuclear fuel come from developed country (Canada, Russia, Australia). On [1] you take an Americain study, and you somehow forget to says that french nuclear reactor have a heating limit of the water to avoid these issues. On [2], simple counterexample: https://www.lci.fr/international/centrale-de-taishan-l-histoire-mouvementee-de-l-epr-fleuron-du-nucleaire-francais-2188781.html https://www.lci.fr/international/centrale-de-taishan-l-histo... Didn't watched [5], no opinions. [6] was 40 years ago, like you said. [7] Higly biaised source. [8] Yes it looks like you don't know what you are talking about, so let's not talk about it. There has been multiple dismantled nuclear plants, and you love forgetting about it.

uranius 5y ago

I don't understand the point about nuclear fuel. The whole reason France went nuclear is to have energy independence, because you can source uranium from pretty much anywhere (unlike fossil fuels). The largest exporters of uranium in the world are Kazakhstan, Canada and Australia. Those aren't former French colonies. But, yes, there are also countries in Africa that export uranium, but that's the point; if you look at a map of uranium reserves you'll find it's pretty much all over the world (and not really that much in Africa, actually).

southerntofu 5y ago
To my (limited) knowledge 100% of nuclear fuel used by French nuclear facilities comes from former french colonies in Africa, although french companies (Areva) are involved in uranium exploitation in other parts of the world as well. I'm not saying french (neo-)colonies are the only place to get uranium from. I'm saying it's very cozy to have the dictators your colonial secret services set up over the years provide you with cheap resources.