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The upside is they found it. They didn't try to cover it up, it didn't blow up or anything. There will be issues in any complex installation even with the best

by Orphis 5y ago

The upside is they found it. They didn't try to cover it up, it didn't blow up or anything. There will be issues in any complex installation even with the best of planning, what matters is how you deal with those.

natch 5y ago
>They didn't try to cover it up How could we possibly know? > There will be issues in any complex installation even with the best of planning agree >what matters is how you deal True but the nature of the project and the potential dangers of the project materials also matter.
- Orphis 5y ago
  > How could we possibly know? They communicated about it. What else do you want? > True but the nature of the project and the potential dangers of the project materials also matter. What are you trying to say? They found a problem, used the protocols they had in place to stop the reactors and they'll take care of it. Looks like they knew the nature of the project and potential dangers and had an appropriate response.
  - natch 5y ago
    >They communicated about it. That tells us nothing about what they did or tried to do before they finally did reveal some possibly partial information. So it doesn’t answer the question. How could we possibly know that they didn’t try to cover it up? For all we know, they tried very hard and failed. >What else do you want? Less naïveté when dealing with the topic of how the people running such projects tend to operate.
southerntofu 5y ago
> They didn't try to cover it up, it didn't blow up or anything. Most nuclear incidents do not involve stuff blowing up, but rather stuff leaking. As for covering things up, that's a specialty of this field, as any former nuclear insider will tell you.
- mimsee 5y ago
  coolant leaking, heat rising, boom?
  - southerntofu 5y ago
    Sure that's happened sometimes, but that's the worst case scenario. Most leaks don't go that spectacular and are either detected by irradiated workers or by civil society taking radioactivity measurements in the vicinity of nuclear facilities where no particular radioactivity should be measurable.
  - cesarb 5y ago
    Most leaks are not catastrophic leaks, and will be detected (nuclear power plants are heavily instrumented) and lead to a safe shutdown.
- Orphis 5y ago
  > or anything There are no reports for leaks I could find, so while you can point at other bad actors in the field, why don't you celebrate the little wins of some company being transparent enough for once?
- redis_mlc 5y ago
  > Most nuclear incidents do not involve stuff blowing up Actually, massive hydrogen explosions are common when nuclear reactor control systems fail, as seen in Fukushima.
- adev_ 5y ago
  > As for covering things up, that's a specialty of this field, as any former nuclear insider will tell you. We do not know the same "insiders in the field" then. As a former electrical engineer, many of my friends works for EDF in Nuclear. And none of them ever talk about covering things up. It is quite the opposite, any minor incident generally trigger a ton of process and often a partial shutdown "just in case". Every possible interaction with the installation is documented, planned and part of a process with X layers of human verification before any intervention. I do not know how the nuclear industry run in other countries but that is not the culture for EDF to cover things up. For politicians with their own agenda, it's an other story....
guerby 5y ago
There's currently a whistleblower affair on french nuclear industry incidents cover up, some MP are asking for a commission about it: https://news.in-24.com/news/274159.html https://news.in-24.com/news/274159.html French: https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/societe/centrale-nucleaire-du-tricastin-les-deputes-france-insoumise-demandent-une-commission-d-enquete-1639677219 https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/societe/centrale-nucleaire-d... https://www.lyoncapitale.fr/actualite/drome-des-parlementaires-demandent-une-commission-d-enquete-sur-la-securite-de-la-centrale-nucleaire-de-tricastin https://www.lyoncapitale.fr/actualite/drome-des-parlementair... Original article by Le Monde (paywall): https://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2021/11/12/nucleaire-un-cadre-de-la-centrale-du-tricastin-denonce-une-politique-de-dissimulation-d-incidents-de-surete_6101804_3244.html https://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2021/11/12/nucleaire-... This is fairly new, we'll see what judges and regulators say about it.

by Orphis 5y ago

natch 5y ago

>They didn't try to cover it up How could we possibly know? > There will be issues in any complex installation even with the best of planning agree >what matters is how you deal True but the nature of the project and the potential dangers of the project materials also matter.

Orphis 5y ago
> How could we possibly know? They communicated about it. What else do you want? > True but the nature of the project and the potential dangers of the project materials also matter. What are you trying to say? They found a problem, used the protocols they had in place to stop the reactors and they'll take care of it. Looks like they knew the nature of the project and potential dangers and had an appropriate response.
- natch 5y ago
  >They communicated about it. That tells us nothing about what they did or tried to do before they finally did reveal some possibly partial information. So it doesn’t answer the question. How could we possibly know that they didn’t try to cover it up? For all we know, they tried very hard and failed. >What else do you want? Less naïveté when dealing with the topic of how the people running such projects tend to operate.

southerntofu 5y ago

> They didn't try to cover it up, it didn't blow up or anything. Most nuclear incidents do not involve stuff blowing up, but rather stuff leaking. As for covering things up, that's a specialty of this field, as any former nuclear insider will tell you.

mimsee 5y ago
coolant leaking, heat rising, boom?
- southerntofu 5y ago
  Sure that's happened sometimes, but that's the worst case scenario. Most leaks don't go that spectacular and are either detected by irradiated workers or by civil society taking radioactivity measurements in the vicinity of nuclear facilities where no particular radioactivity should be measurable.
- cesarb 5y ago
  Most leaks are not catastrophic leaks, and will be detected (nuclear power plants are heavily instrumented) and lead to a safe shutdown.
Orphis 5y ago
> or anything There are no reports for leaks I could find, so while you can point at other bad actors in the field, why don't you celebrate the little wins of some company being transparent enough for once?
redis_mlc 5y ago
> Most nuclear incidents do not involve stuff blowing up Actually, massive hydrogen explosions are common when nuclear reactor control systems fail, as seen in Fukushima.
adev_ 5y ago
> As for covering things up, that's a specialty of this field, as any former nuclear insider will tell you. We do not know the same "insiders in the field" then. As a former electrical engineer, many of my friends works for EDF in Nuclear. And none of them ever talk about covering things up. It is quite the opposite, any minor incident generally trigger a ton of process and often a partial shutdown "just in case". Every possible interaction with the installation is documented, planned and part of a process with X layers of human verification before any intervention. I do not know how the nuclear industry run in other countries but that is not the culture for EDF to cover things up. For politicians with their own agenda, it's an other story....

guerby 5y ago

There's currently a whistleblower affair on french nuclear industry incidents cover up, some MP are asking for a commission about it: https://news.in-24.com/news/274159.html https://news.in-24.com/news/274159.html French: https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/societe/centrale-nucleaire-du-tricastin-les-deputes-france-insoumise-demandent-une-commission-d-enquete-1639677219 https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/societe/centrale-nucleaire-d... https://www.lyoncapitale.fr/actualite/drome-des-parlementaires-demandent-une-commission-d-enquete-sur-la-securite-de-la-centrale-nucleaire-de-tricastin https://www.lyoncapitale.fr/actualite/drome-des-parlementair... Original article by Le Monde (paywall): https://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2021/11/12/nucleaire-un-cadre-de-la-centrale-du-tricastin-denonce-une-politique-de-dissimulation-d-incidents-de-surete_6101804_3244.html https://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2021/11/12/nucleaire-... This is fairly new, we'll see what judges and regulators say about it.